** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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its a well known fact that real madrid buy all of their talent and barcelona make most of theirs. its been like that for years, zidane, beckham, etc, every great player to play for real madrid was bought in apart from maybe 1 or 2 exceptions.
 
Abidal & Milito earliest bought in 2007
-154.5m Euros in 4/5 seasons

Sergio Ramos earliest bought in 2005
-518m Euros in 6/7 seasons

Money doesn't always buy success.
 
It's worth noting that the Barca figure doesn't take into account the silly money they lost on Ibra, or the 10mil flop that was Chygrinksy or however you spell it.
 
yeah all that's being shown is that Barca make some huge balls ups in the transfer market but have enough cash to get away with it. 154mill when the spine of your squad is homegrown isn't exactly inconsequential is it.
 
A number of the fee's paid are hugely over inflated for the players they are ie Chygrynsky, Ibra. The only reason the transfers look really bad is because of the fee's paid in the 1st place. All they have done is try and buy players thay they believe can fit in around the team selection they usually have in place. Unfortunatly, the 2 biggest acquisitions didn't so they took a loss on them.

Real Madrid spending what they have, and no real silverware to shout about (because titles & success is what this all ultimately comes down to) is a far greater problem then the 1 you are trying to accuse Barca of.
 
who's accusing Barca of anything? They're free to spend their money however they like, clearly though having access to greater reserves of funds than all but rm has benefited them greatly. They pay higher wages than anyone else and are perfectly capable of spending big to suit.

Somehow they've managed to get themselves into 400+mill of debt through their spending which is shocking really when you consider their income and the fact that it's on a par with United's without any of it being acquisition debt.
 
Fabregas came to Arsenal when he was 16 and he's now 24. So even though he trained with Barcelona before that I would say he is more a product of the Arsenal youth system than the Barcelona youth system.

If he came at a certain level, trained at Arsenal for 2 years and started playing a completely different player, maybe, he joined, he was excellent, he started within months, became first team very quickly and looked brilliant from the day we signed him. He was NOT a product of the Arsenal youth system in any way at all, if we signed him at 24, and he played almost immediately and was 32 now we wouldn't claim he learnt his trade or became great at Arsenal.

Anyway, who cares, as for barca and their spending, compare their wages, and Real's and how much both teams have spent on wages during the times listed, IE real since 2005, and Barca since 2007. Basically both teams will have spent more on wages than transfers, as even Chelsea, and City(in a couple years) will have.

Barcelona do spend, heavily, very very heavily, its just on wages. Transfer fee's SHOULD be completely ignored, they mean next to nothing, wage spending(and ability to sustain it) is almost completely where success comes from.

Just about any player in the world COULD have been grabbed for free at 16, or bought later for 80mil, thats timing, good business, luck, preference of players to play for a certain team, etc, etc. Wages don't really get effected by any of that, Messi/Ronaldo are on flat out sick wages, and frankly deserve to be over many other players who don't deliver for the wages they get.


The thing about it is, a 150mil a year wages type team WILL consistantly win leagues vs a team spending 30-80mil a year, that is proven time and time again.

But once you get above 100mil a year, while the wages can go up dramatically the quality and ability of a team doesn't. You need a team that puts you in the ballpark, and that will cost X amount, but as with all sport theres errors, good years, bad years, injuries.

Why do people leave Barca, because if a team has the 20 best players in the world, 9 won't get played that often, if a team has the 30 best players in the world 9 won't get played that often and another 10 will barely ever play. So no matter how much money a team has, or how much they dominate in spending, the best players will spread out because they want to play football.
 
So modric has made it very clear that he wants to leave for chelsea now. Do people think spurs will let him go to chelsea and if so for how much? Fabregas is being talked about for £35mil so £30mil seems about right for modric. Will be very happy if he does end up at chelsea.
 
Spurs fan here. Let him go to Chelsea, he clearly wants to go so no point keeping an "unhappy" player at the club, can create divisions.

Better to sell him now and find a replacement (and a striker) rather than selling him 10 minutes before the transfer window like Berbatov.

Chelsea will ruin Modric, but he will get lots of money so thats all good, would rather see him go to Utd.
 
Spurs fan here. Let him go to Chelsea, he clearly wants to go so no point keeping an "unhappy" player at the club, can create divisions.

Better to sell him now and find a replacement (and a striker) rather than selling him 10 minutes before the transfer window like Berbatov.

Chelsea will ruin Modric, but he will get lots of money so thats all good, would rather see him go to Utd.

I don't think money is one of the reasons he wants to leave. It will be for footballing reasons, and the fact that he wants to stay in North London.

Chelsea will not ruin Modric, thats a silly comment! As long as he is not put on the wing (cringe) then he will be fine. He is the spark Chelsea and United need right now and it looks like Chelsea will get their man!
 
I'd like to see some sort of bar on clubs making their bids public...

The way players are unsettled these days is frustrating.


Maybe if you didn't bid for every player in existence and concentrate on players you really want you might be able to do that same. :D
 
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