Soldato
Could do, i'd be tempted to just play Rice in front of the CB's, and play 2 offensive CM's.
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Could do, i'd be tempted to just play Rice in front of the CB's, and play 2 offensive CM's.
You seem to think I'm saying he's a bad player, I'm not saying that. He's an old fashioned, all action, box to box midfielder and playing in a average West Ham side he's going to feature fairly highly in certain stats because he's the centre of that side.
He's a good player and will be an improvement on Xhaka but for £100m we should be talking about one of the very best players in the world and he's not that.
Soldato
There's defintely a bit of slap being added on for things like he's English, he's 24 and played 41 times for England, a future England captain. Can easily see how 20m gets added on.
Can I ask where you're getting that info from? Not saying its wrong just cant find it lolRice is number one midfielder in europes top 5 leagues for ball recoveries
Hes also top 20 in Europes top 5 leagues for entries into the final third
You may of watched him and think “hes decent” but across a season he’s right up there and as for fernandez he’s way better
Edit just saw your other post lol
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Ball recoveries aren't tackles. It's where you pick up a loose ball.
Consigliere
Plus, as always, it's how much he is of value to West Ham. It doesn't mean he as a player is worth £100m or whatever but he is THAT important to West Ham as a team = Up the value.
Soldato
The ego on this one!
Thankfully I didn't compare myself to some of the rubbish Chelsea have bought or I could have said I was worth £25m.
Were those stats just for people called Joelinton?
Caporegime
He obviously isn't that important as they finished 14th. An important player is someone like Harry Kane who bags 30 goals in an extremely poor side.
I think Rice is excellent at what he does, and I'd agree with the poster who's said he's second only to Rodri in that role.
But I also think that fees are getting more and more inflated because teams are playing with more and more granular systems. 20 years ago if you wanted a winger you'd go out and buy Ronaldinho - he was the best one. Couldn't get him? Go for the second best one. And so on and so on. The same applied to midfielders (albeit you might broadly split them into defensive and attacking), centre backs, etc.
Nowadays, teams want much more granular types of players which naturally adds to scarcity. You may not just want "the best" centre back, you might want the best centre back who's left footed but has experience playing at the centre of a three, or of playing a high line, etc. If you get the right player for your role, that can be transformative. Teams will pay the money for a player they consider to fit the bill perfectly, as the alternative is trying two or three players at reduced cost, but none of them may fit your style properly and you may have to move them on or reshape the rest of your team, neither of which is ideal.
We've seen how well buying a good fit works at Liverpool with VVD and Alisson, at Man Utd with Casemiro, and even at Newcastle with people like Dan Burn and Trippier. City are a different kettle of fish as they can afford (both financially and because their squad is so strong) to spend hugely on players who will take time to bed in.
We've also seen how badly it can go with Man Utd prior to this season, who have signed some of "the best" players but to no system at all, and with Chelsea this year.
Obviously it doesn't always go right - some players are signed, expected to fit perfectly, but don't. I'm also not saying that there are never bargains to be had - clearly there are some around whether because a team finds an unknown, or because someone's contract is running down. But in general, the big clubs have the money to splurge on players they consider perfect for a role, and in many situations that's better than trying two players at 70% of the cost.
But I also think that fees are getting more and more inflated because teams are playing with more and more granular systems. 20 years ago if you wanted a winger you'd go out and buy Ronaldinho - he was the best one. Couldn't get him? Go for the second best one. And so on and so on. The same applied to midfielders (albeit you might broadly split them into defensive and attacking), centre backs, etc.
Nowadays, teams want much more granular types of players which naturally adds to scarcity. You may not just want "the best" centre back, you might want the best centre back who's left footed but has experience playing at the centre of a three, or of playing a high line, etc. If you get the right player for your role, that can be transformative. Teams will pay the money for a player they consider to fit the bill perfectly, as the alternative is trying two or three players at reduced cost, but none of them may fit your style properly and you may have to move them on or reshape the rest of your team, neither of which is ideal.
We've seen how well buying a good fit works at Liverpool with VVD and Alisson, at Man Utd with Casemiro, and even at Newcastle with people like Dan Burn and Trippier. City are a different kettle of fish as they can afford (both financially and because their squad is so strong) to spend hugely on players who will take time to bed in.
We've also seen how badly it can go with Man Utd prior to this season, who have signed some of "the best" players but to no system at all, and with Chelsea this year.
Obviously it doesn't always go right - some players are signed, expected to fit perfectly, but don't. I'm also not saying that there are never bargains to be had - clearly there are some around whether because a team finds an unknown, or because someone's contract is running down. But in general, the big clubs have the money to splurge on players they consider perfect for a role, and in many situations that's better than trying two players at 70% of the cost.
This is a nonsense post. How do you know that without him they wouldn't have been relegated?
Think you've described my forum posting history there. Thanks. I try my best.
Soldato
25p at best and that's with postage included.
Caporegime
How do you know without him they wouldn't have done better? Flogging him for £120 million and spending wisely on replacements will make Westham stronger not weaker. A lot of these player figures are hugely inflated because the top teams have the revenue to pay for it. Especially when they have an English name.
Liverpool just got a young World cup winning Argentine midfielder for 55million from a club that finished in the top 6. That is good business.
I see Rice as a MK2 Maguire.
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I don't know that without him they wouldn't have done better.
All I'm saying is that your conclusion that "he obviously isn't that important" does not follow your premise that "they finished 14th".
In fact, you immediately contradict your own argument by saying that Kane is important, despite Spurs being an extremely poor side.