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if its any help ZaF i basically live on egg/chicken/beef (steak and mince) and shakes. I throw veg into omlettes and with chicken, use rice and oats to carb up. Thats about it, all these almonds and canola oils and so on are all well and good if you have all the time in the world for variety, but in my experience getting a nice boring regimented diet nailed is the best way to make fast progress.
 
Zaf said:
Out of curosity though why is a tin of tuna better than a 2 Serving shake if cost isn't an issue?

Cheers
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Its real food.

If costs are not an issue, then there is no reason for it other than ease of use (the shakes I mean)

A tin of tuna will have practically the same Protein content, as well as lower carbs and fat (I think) Not to mention the extra goodies just from eating the food anyway.
 
@Zaf different protein sources have different absorption durations and in some cases different amino complexes and additionally some compounds in real food like fats alter your body's reaction to the protein. Im a big supporter of protein shakes, underused by many an internet gym rat (i have cut in the past on shake only diets to decent effect), but never discount the importance of variety.
 
Again cheers for the input guys... going to see if I can put a best of both worlds diet together, I'll post it up so you guys can rip it apart :p
 
I too agree with the protein shakes. Somewhere at some time i think someone said "shakes aren't as good as food, period!"....and a lot of people jumped on a bandwagon.
Of course food sources of protein are important, but not many food sources contain a quality amino acid profile like some of the better protein powders. Loads of powders have zero carbs, so mixed with water are just protein.
The age old theory of "you can only absorb about 30g of protein per meal" seems to have been blown clearly out the water in the past few years too.
With that in mind you can wallop down 90g of protein in one shake to give a large proportion of your daily protein intake. Try doing that with real food. Some fish contain high amounts of mercury too.
I think, that is why some people fail in managing their daily protein requirements.
Personally, i might take in 60g of casein protein before bedtime. This will avoid catabolism during the nght and i don't wake up starving.

Protein powders ARE a supplement for protein intake, but i for one don't get hung up if my only intake in a given day is from a powdered shake.
 
Yeah, the "only 30g of protein per sitting" myth is just that, myth. I've read the study that this claim is based on, and it's pretty flawed for what is trying to be claimed. If I remember correctly, that wasn't even the authors' conclusions or recommendations.

You can literally have all of your daily protein in one meal, or 5 meals spread throughout the day, and it won't really have any significantly measurable effect (at least in the short term as far as we know, long term, we don't know). It would probably be very inconvenient, awkward and uncomfortable though, and that's why you shouldn't do something like that.
 
Delvis said:
How do you struggle? Lack of time? Feeling full?

You could be feeling full due to the milk in the morning for example (probably not, but might be worth a try) - How much tea/coffee do you drink?

If you feel full, just eat, your stomach is used to eating next to nothing, so it's shrunk for lack of a better word. Getting some more food in it will do wonders, and over time you will be used to eating slightly more food. I was the same.



Best tasting stuff? How do you mean? The whey and dextrose combo?
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Best tasting whey, best stuff I've had was Syntha 6 which was cheap at the time. But not so much over here.
 
Begbie said:
Best tasting whey, best stuff I've had was Syntha 6 which was cheap at the time. But not so much over here.
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Ahhh okay

My Protein used to do a bog standard Strawberry flavor something like 4 years ago, tasted amazing on it's own.

Not had any flavored stuff from them recently :(
 
Banzai_Joe said:
Personally, i might take in 60g of casein protein before bedtime. This will avoid catabolism during the nght and i don't wake up starving.
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You don't suddenly go catabolic as soon as you start sleeping ;)
(or even by the time you wake up)

Whole food is better because you are more likely to be getting more of what your body needs. Protein isn't the only determiner of muscle growth.
 
A high protein meal, at anytime in the day, will make you slightly more alert and awake (or just keep you at the same level of awakeness, ie no effect). But carbs, on their own, make you sleepy. Having protein with the carbs negates the sleep inducing effects of carbs, but leave out the protein and you'll be sleepier. Having a purely carb rich mini-meal/snack is an ideal thing to have before going to bed, if you want good sleep.

Having carbs before bed does not make you more prone to storing fat. But it may help you with better quality sleep.
 
The 30-40g of protein is just the amount your body is most efficient at digesting/using, it's a bell curve, it doesn't mean to say that you stop synthesising it if you take more of course not, it's just less efficient. I agree about that whole myth thing though.

However, protein is just another form of calories, if you eat too much you will juts turn it to fat, and it'll just be a very expensive way of turning protein into a carb which will turn into fat.

I've never eaten more than 200g of protein a day - it's just unnecessary. Sure spread your food out if you want, or have your food in one go, your body won't go suddenly catabolic if you don't eat proteinz every 2hrs. Protein is absolutely necessary for growth and repair I agree, but to that amount it just ends up being a calorie surplus.
 
I burn up and sweat if I have high GI carbs before bed - in fact if I eat sugar in general, I just start irradiating heat. If I do eat carbs before bed they will be low GI - my insulin sensitivity has increased dramatically so I'm quite sensitive to high sugar foods.
 
Begbie said:
Best tasting whey, best stuff I've had was Syntha 6 which was cheap at the time. But not so much over here.
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phd pharma whey was the best i ever tasted it mixed almost on its own aswell.

bulkpowders choclate cookie is the nicest taking cheap stuff ive tried so far
 
icecold said:
You don't suddenly go catabolic as soon as you start sleeping ;)
(or even by the time you wake up)
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Never said i did dude, but having smashed the gym up earlier i'd rather fill myself up with slow absorbing protein/aminos overnight to help avoid catabolism.
My point was that 60g of protein imho is fine to neck without the fear of wasting any of it.
Proabaly could have worded it better though :p

Whole food is better because you are more likely to be getting more of what your body needs. Protein isn't the only determiner of muscle growth.
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True, i think i concurred with that, but i said i wouldn't negate protein powders as i just simply couldnt 'eat' 200g of protein per day from food sources alone.
Think i'd explode, lol.
 
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Freefaller said:
I burn up and sweat if I have high GI carbs before bed - in fact if I eat sugar in general, I just start irradiating heat. If I do eat carbs before bed they will be low GI - my insulin sensitivity has increased dramatically so I'm quite sensitive to high sugar foods.
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thats a muscle mass thing, happens to me if i keep my slin sensitivity high but when i told a friend of mine who is into nutrition he was like "errr what it shouldnt" so i went around my associates and all the more muscular fellas agreed however smaller guys were unaffected, when i say smaller guys many were muscled but when you are a lean muscular shape (like say kai who posts here) it seems less prominent, minimum arm size (for want of a ridiculous yardstick) was over 16in on all those who experience the carb sweat.
 
Just received my Jack3d, but they included a free 30 x 1000mg Tribulus tablets, never really looked into Trib, is it worth taking or shall I just put them to the side?
 
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