Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Delvis said:
Same as, never taken a pre-workout shake, not felt the need. And quite frankly, I'd rather not have to recommend on some drink to give me a buzz before my workout and then become dependent on it.
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sigma said:
I'm also starting to wonder if there is a real need for a pre-workout supplement. Unless you take it every session is it really going to make a difference in the long-term? Or is it just a placebo?
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MoNkeE said:
Really it's best used sparingly, otherwise your body gets accustomed to the effects of it anyway. However, I'd say it's definitely got a place on those days where sometimes you just don't feel up to it - a couple of scoops can definitely send you in the right direction.

As part of a daily pre-workout supp, then no, I don't think it's needed. If you feel it is, you've got issues elsewhere - poor diet or not enough sleep.
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I basically use it as Monkee says, it's great for a boost and helped to get me started after my depression and relapse, after also being told I won't be able to do anything. :D

Like I said I also cycle it sometimes, one week on, one week off.
Your body does get use to it, rather fast as well.

It has done wonders for me, especially lately.
 
I feel that if it makes you want to lift more, go harder, and just be in the gym, placebo or not, i think its a good tool to use

I love Jack3d and soon as im out ill be ordering another, it works for me so im inclined to stick with it for now.
 
Kimi said:
I feel that if it makes you want to lift more, go harder, and just be in the gym, placebo or not, i think its a good tool to use

I love Jack3d and soon as im out ill be ordering another, it works for me so im inclined to stick with it for now.
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But then you are reliant on it to have a decent training session? Does that bother you?
 
Just had 3 scoops of Jack3d about 20 minutes a go and still nothing. Im on an empty stomach too :( It says not to exceed 3 scoops neither lol. Guess im immune to pre workout shakes!
 
Delvis said:
But then you are reliant on it to have a decent training session? Does that bother you?
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Nope, not reliant at all. You body quickly gets use to it, so then to cycle off it and you'd still feel the same as you're use to that "normal" feeling.

Then when you start again you get the same excitement.

It's great when I was powerlifting and did rep work at around 80-90% of my max 1RMs.
 
Delvis said:
But then you are reliant on it to have a decent training session? Does that bother you?
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No, because im not dependent on it, i can take it or leave it, but i prefer to take it so i can reach my goals quicker, if it vanished off the face of the earth tomorrow, id still be in my gym.
 
davetrace1 said:
Just had 3 scoops of Jack3d about 20 minutes a go and still nothing. Im on an empty stomach too :( It says not to exceed 3 scoops neither lol. Guess im immune to pre workout shakes!
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Did you use more water? Anything less than 400ml and it could well just sit in your stomach for ages. Complete gastric emptying can take 20 mins or longer.
 
Order from MP and my Jack still hasn't arrived, go away on Sunday and was wanting it for going away. Gutted, means I'll need to re-order stuff to my temporary address and get this when I'm next back (12 weeks). Least I won't be running out for a LONG time.

Edit - I'm such a ****, changed the billing address instead of my delivery address. £75 worth of stuff waiting in the post room at work for me! Won't be at work for at least 3-4 months. Great, another order it is then!
 
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Begbie said:
Order from MP and my Jack still hasn't arrived, go away on Sunday and was wanting it for going away. Gutted, means I'll need to re-order stuff to my temporary address and get this when I'm next back (12 weeks). Least I won't be running out for a LONG time.

Edit - I'm such a ****, changed the billing address instead of my delivery address. £75 worth of stuff waiting in the post room at work for me! Won't be at work for at least 3-4 months. Great, another order it is then!
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!!! :D DOH!

I was just about to say, ordered my stuff Wednesday, came today with the free delivery.
 
prashantnew said:
Hi guys, I have a different kind of suppliment question, a lady I work with is having a hard time shifting weight, her BMI is around 30, she's had decent results (from what she tells me) with Slim Fast, and asked me if I knew of any meal time replacement alternatives, I told her there are a knowledgeable group of people I could ask for her :D

So do any of you know of any Slim Fast type alternatives?

Also I'm due a MP order in the next few days, would anyone like me to give me a mutually benificial code *hint hint*
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Phd diet whey would be ideal for this, as it's designed to be an mrp of sorts only much better than that god awful slim fast.
 
I promised here to measure the protein content of various supplement powders. Many people offered to send samples and I selected some. Yesterday and today after couple hours of work I finished the measurements.
Here are the results
My interpretation: I haven't measured any powder as 100% accurate. The reason probably is that none of it dissolved in water as good as my BSA standard. I gave a subjective solubility score to each. For example many chocolate flavored powders left a debris that looks like cacao, I gave them score of 4. Plant based powders didn't dissolve at all so got solubility score of 1 and obviously had low readings which doesn't mean anything. I guess they are just plant powders not isolated proteins.
Brandwise, Optimum Nutrition looks very reliable to me. Gaspari and Body Fortress are suspicious and deserves another independent measurement. The others are OK, remember that solubility is important and 75% reading might just be attributable to that. Finally, stay away from American Pure Whey.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag9uT-E4EIL7dFZPZnR0WVZybGtFWnRKNzdKNm9XOVE#gid=0

Take it as you may...
 
Black coffee if afternoon/evening workout, Xtend if fasted morning workout (eat soon after so I don't bother doing what it says on the box and taking in another 10g afterwards).
 
Somnambulist said:
Black coffee if afternoon/evening workout, Xtend if fasted morning workout (eat soon after so I don't bother doing what it says on the box and taking in another 10g afterwards).
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I don't see the need for taking it after as well, you're already taking it during training. So 1 litre of water with it is sufficient.
I usually just have 1 scoop of whey after training and then food 2-3 hours laters so it helps me.

I think most places label some doses so you'd run out quickly.

Like buying Omega3,6 &9 1200mg gel tabs and seeing they say take 3 daily, while on the 600mb tabs they say the same thing...

Then if you look at another brand they say take one daily at 600mg.

I take one a day, and with Xtend I only take it during training, I also add a tiny scoop of taurine as well.

Only time I take it otherwise is when travelling a lot and I know I won't get a chance to eat something decent so I take a bottle of water with it mixed it.


I do like putting it all in the fridge 2-3 hours before training so it's lovely and cold.


On a different note, going to try some Jack3d White Blue Berry today, since I tried Black Powder last week. :D
 
Just ordered some bits, should be a fun few months :D

Edit - Piccy removed by my own volition.
 
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