Supplements the debate/discussion thread

ChroniC · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:37

Well it would be nice to think it was fat, but since the most I can pinch is skin, I can assure you it's not.
It really is quite childish the manner in which some people get annoyed with others, like Skillmeister above, are you 12??
I'm pretty proud of what I've achieved, I have put on nearly 2 stone, whilst only gaining two inches on my waist, but over 2 inches on my chest and 3 on my arms.

Delvis · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:39

Well, I can understand the not being able to gain fat that easily, as I know a few people like that. But still, just being able to gain that much muscle in a year would be incredible from what I've read.

But yes, put up progress pics though, as it's always interesting to see how people have progressed

wedgie · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:39

Many people regret having to serve in the Army. But it was not a waste of time for me. When I came out I weighed 225 pounds. I'd gone from 200 to 225. Up to that time, this was the biggest change I'd ever made in a single year.

25lbs in one year (note, not 25lbs of lean muscle).

Care to guess who said this?

tom_e · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:40

You also have to remember that some people store a lot more fat round their organs than they do subcutaneously so while you may appear lean you could be packing it in round your organs.

wedgie · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:42

Then there's stuff like water retention, you don't have to be a bloated monster to be holding 15-20lbs of water.

Skillmister · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:42

ChroniC said:
Well it would be nice to think it was fat, but since the most I can pinch is skin, I can assure you it's not.
It really is quite childish the manner in which some people get annoyed with others, like Skillmeister above, are you 12??
I'm pretty proud of what I've achieved, I have put on nearly 2 stone, whilst only gaining two inches on my waist, but over 2 inches on my chest and 3 on my arms.

2 inches on your waist but you gained zero fat?

Is this real life?!?!

LiE · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:44

I've gained 0", perhaps lost close to an inch, maybe I'm doing this wrong?

ChroniC · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:45

Skillmister said:
2 inches on your waist but you gained zero fat?

Is this real life?!?!

Your a ****** idiot mate!
I have worked on my stomach muscles too, and I'm not denying that I've gained some fat I didn't say zero!!! With muscle and a little fat 2 inches is nothing, and since I was a 30 inch waist to begin with I don't care.

wedgie · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:48

lol, I didn't know why people were saying the supplements thread was quite volatile the other day, now I do

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Perhaps it's just best left at he's gaining weight and happy to be doing so, however the percentages fall

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tom_e · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:51

wedgie said:
lol, I didn't know why people were saying the supplements thread was quite volatile the other day, now I do .

Perhaps it's just best left at he's gaining weight and happy to be doing so, however the percentages fall .

But then we can manage to have quite a mature discussion about steroids, which most people would think would get more heated. Go figure

Delvis · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:51

I'd be wary of fatty organs though, well, it would concern me anyway.

LiE · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:53

It's expected, when someone comes along and makes pretty outlandish claims without providing much insight. If I said to you guys I'd gain 20lbs of lean mass, here's a before and after pic, it shows literally nothing.

I'd want to see proper measurements, LBM % before and after, BF % etc. If it turned out to be correct, then perhaps sharing the amazing training and diet which attained such muscle would be useful.

What we have is none of that.

wedgie · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:54

tom_e said:
But then we can manage to have quite a mature discussion about steroids, which most people would think would get more heated. Go figure

Well as mentioned in the other thread, the debate there is not so much about whether they work, it's more about peoples own opinions on using them. Thankfully we seem to have people that whether they agree or disagree, at least accept it's each persons choice to make for themselves.

Skillmister · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:54

ChroniC said:
Your a ****** idiot mate!
I have worked on my stomach muscles too, and I'm not denying that I've gained some fat I didn't say zero!!! With muscle and a little fat 2 inches is nothing, and since I was a 30 inch waist to begin with I don't care.

ChroniC said:
I went from 11.5stone to 13 of muscle. I am a hard gainer of fat not muscle,

ChroniC said:
Well it would be nice to think it was fat, but since the most I can pinch is skin, I can assure you it's not.

Considering you are obviously a scientific miracle i expect you to be competing in top level bodybuilding competitions in the next year then when you have gained another 52lbs of solid muscle. I wish you luck.

ChroniC · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:55

wedgie said:
lol, I didn't know why people were saying the supplements thread was quite volatile the other day, now I do .

Perhaps it's just best left at he's gaining weight and happy to be doing so, however the percentages fall .

That's the joke though Wedgie. I never claimed to have gained all that, I said 12kg, just to prove that 3kg was a stupid amount. It was my fault for saying that 23 was possible for some human cause realistically it's not, however it made the pedantic idiots to jump on thier 30foot horses and ride into town with pitch forks and fire!

Skillmister said:
Considering you are obviously a scientific miracle i expect you to be competing in top level bodybuilding competitions in the next year then when you have gained another 52lbs of solid muscle. I wish you luck.

My god, shut up. When I get to my target of 15 stone, I might set a new target of 17, I don't care about anything you say and will not compete in anything. :rolleyes:

arghgghgh I never said I would gain 52lb :rolleyes:

Syla5 · 22 Aug 2012 at 10:58

ChroniC said:
I'm pretty proud of what I've achieved, I have put on nearly 2 stone, whilst only gaining two inches on my waist, but over 2 inches on my chest and 3 on my arms.

The 2 inches of waist gain just screams fat gain quite simply there is not anything around your waist that can contribute massively to muscle mass.

As for your gains over the year, funnily enough I had similar gains in my first year, I was visibly not fat, but it s pretty obvious I had out fat on. I had gained similar size that you noted to my chest and my arms, but less obviously I had gained fat.

I would say in that first year I had put on probably close to 6lb of muscle maybe a little more, but not much more.

March 2011 11st

Heres me at 12st 9lb back at the end of April 2012:

and here I am as of now August 2012, after a cut back down to 11st

Syla5 · 22 Aug 2012 at 11:12

ChroniC said:
I never claimed to have gained all that, I said 12kg

just to put this in to context this is still 26lb in a year, which for a top athlete would be impressive.

Could I ask, how are you measuring your BF %, your LBM, your chest, arm, waist measurements etc?

ChroniC · 22 Aug 2012 at 11:53

Waist, arms, and chest measurements where all with a tape measure. I had a caliper reading done but that was to long ago to mention. I think I will buy some of ebay to see what has changed but from eye and knowing my own body it's not been a great deal.

Delvis · 22 Aug 2012 at 11:57

EDIT: As tom-e said below

ChroniC · 22 Aug 2012 at 12:05

Whats the most accurate way. I doubt I can go into a pressure tank thing.