Supplements the debate/discussion thread
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Callipers being used by someone experienced are the best you'll get without going into MRI and bodpod type things, but the measurements need to be taken by someone else and they need to know what they're doing.
Just so these points don't get lost in the argument...
1) The fancy proteins and amino acids in that weight gainer will be doing nothing over any other balanced protein source.
2) Hard gainers are people who don't have their diets sorted (on the opposite end of the spectrum to overweight people); they're simply not getting enough calories and/or protein. Mass gainers work because they are calorie dense, so you'd get the same results by simply eating more.
1) The fancy proteins and amino acids in that weight gainer will be doing nothing over any other balanced protein source.
2) Hard gainers are people who don't have their diets sorted (on the opposite end of the spectrum to overweight people); they're simply not getting enough calories and/or protein. Mass gainers work because they are calorie dense, so you'd get the same results by simply eating more.
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They're good for tracking progress as long as you're consistent with how you take the measurements, but the figures you come up with for bf % won't necessarily be accurate like using, say, a BodPod would be.
Aye, tis what I figured...Good for some self-tracking I guess, but can't be relied upon for an exact bf% figure?
What type of company would do an MOT as such? I'd like my co2 levels, kidney and liver function and BF% done! Is this possible?
Not sure I agree with that, as such. My reasoning for thinking that not necessarily true is because I have gone on diets with way over 2500 calories (I'm talking closer to 4-5k) and gained very little, where as im sure other individuals would turn fat on the same intake. I agree with you about what mass gainers are, but I have tried a few that didn't actually work as effectively as the one I'm taking now. Can I explain what the difference has been no I can't unless basically they have been selling duff powder.
Not sure I agree with that, as such. My reasoning for thinking that not necessarily true is because I have gone on diets with way over 2500 calories (I'm talking closer to 4-5k) and gained very little, where as im sure other individuals would turn fat on the same intake. I agree with you about what mass gainers are, but I have tried a few that didn't actually work as effectively as the one I'm taking now. Can I explain what the difference has been no I can't unless basically they have been selling duff powder.
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Either you weren't taking as much of the other gainers, or you were burning more calories then.
Do you know with absolute certainty that you were consuming 2500kcals? If so, then the bottom line is that you needed more than that.
You say that protein shakes didn't work for you, which potentially highlights a lack of understanding. How much total protein were you consuming while using these different products?
Do you know with absolute certainty that you were consuming 2500kcals? If so, then the bottom line is that you needed more than that.
You say that protein shakes didn't work for you, which potentially highlights a lack of understanding. How much total protein were you consuming while using these different products?
Oh yes, I know I was consuming way over 2500, I was counting. 5 meals a day and 2 protein shakes a day. Protein intake was roughly a gram per lb of body weight. Probably about 100gm or more.
I'm still doing the same but have added a 3rd shake so probably closer to 150.
I would say the only thing ive changed is when I take them, one for breakfast as usual, but instead of lunch and before bed, I take one before a work out and one straight after. I honestly think that maybe this is the first one ive bought that actually has anything decent in it. I have always watched out for sugar content in the past.
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If you were only consuming 100g of protein there is something very wrong with your calculations, to be consuming so little protein while eating over 2.5k kcals doesn't add up.
Might have been more, suppose it was mostly because I was concentrating on gaining fat rather than muscle. My diet was more carb based than protein based. Obviously was eating chicken, tuna and eggs alongside my shakes, but I wasnt cramming it down. I wanted to bulk. I was happy with my lifting and my muscle gains, but I still initially looked skinny, because of being rather lean. I tried many things to look bgger and it has only been recent muscle gains which have made me look healthily average. Still I wanted to fill out some areas where there is no muscle, i.e face, wrist, a bit here and there, so 3 weeks ago when I decided to get a gainer and stuck on 5kg. lol
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I cant help but feel science is being broken in here. Taking a moderately high dose of testosterone, eating clean with a high protein intake, i am not gaining 0.5lbs of lbm a week, be surprised if its more that 1lb a month in fact, wish i bloody could tho 25lbs or so of LBM id have my ideal body, i got say 30lbs too much fat and im 225lbs @ 6'2" so you knock off 25lbs fat and add that back in muscle im 230lbs at around 8%, id put arnie to the test.
This is probably all gibberish i couldnt be bothered to read all the rage in between the last intelligible post and now.
This is probably all gibberish i couldnt be bothered to read all the rage in between the last intelligible post and now.
Dude, i’m gonna type as sober as possible, that honestly looks ****ing pathetic and disgusting compared to my meal. and I’m being one hundred percent serious. Sorry we dont cook sht that was previously in cans. you’re a fuking joke dude, and im dead ****ing serious. get a real family that cooks good food, drinks beer and wine and winecoolers and has a good fuking time, and has a million dollar house on the beach, im seriously.. dont ever post your fuking poverty dinner on these forums ever the **** again bro, and by bro i mean never my bro, ****ing faggot
What the hell?? Have you strangely confused what I said. I wasnt just eating protein shakes and chicken breast lol. I had a very varied diet it was more rice and potato and pasta than anything else.
Once again what?? Calm down, seriously, go have a winecooler
Once again what?? Calm down, seriously, go have a winecooler
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Shhh, no tears only dreams now.
Literally none of that makes sense. Impressive.
edit: inb4 SMed gets suspended for not editing the swearies out of the copypasta
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