Each to their own, I wouldn't wanna go much further tbh, I just did not even 3 months cutting and it killed me
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Right, I would appreciate a little tack from the forum members this time. Please if you have nothing nice to say then try not to be so hateful. If you have some constructive criticisms then be polite.
This before picture is the closest I have to when I started, its a little over a year ago, possible a year and a half but I can't find the one I'm looking for in the mess of a hard drive, however I will find it, but there will be very very little difference. The second I took this evening with my phone but its good enough.
Varies with bars or dumbells but,
Bench 5x5 @ 90 120@1Repmax
Curls 3x10 @ 30
Squats 3x10 @ 80 (legs need to improve)
Deadlifts 3x10 @ 80 (lower half needs improvement all round really)
What else can I say.
Looks pretty good to me. I sure as **** wouldn't want to cut at that weight. I'd probably cut down to that, not from it unless I wanted ripped abs or something.
But lettuce be cereal for a moment... get your ****ing squat and deadlifts up you skinny lying fat ****.
E-stat? Do you mean cause I do 5x5 instead of 3x10? Dunno, just prefer doing heavier and less. Read it in a mens health once I think, and my chest seems to expand and I like the feeling, no other reason really.
I do switch routines a lot as I read that doing the same routine will make you plateau quickly so I change. That just happens to be what I'm doing.
I admit my legs are staying hidden cause they are skinny, I hate the pains I get from legs and it always puts me off. Working on those now but its slow.
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No I meant more along the lines of, you don't look capable of a 1RM (Just sayin! I'm not either so not trying to be a dick here) so why e-stat (inflate) your bench 1RM and not do the same for the others?
Then again it might be a real 1RM, in which case fair play to you!
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smith machine bench press isnt a bench press, stabilizing 115+ kgs takes some strength, it would be a mighty impressive bench for your size but im not going down the rabbit hole of debating it, its probably possible on the smith as your delt pec complex doesnt look up to it but the pecs are fairly well formed so in isolation could be accurate but still very heavy
You have a decent physique no doubt, but that is no where near a 12kg lean mass increase. More like 4-5kg, considering that 80x10 on squats doesn't hint at massive legs.
If you want to gain fat then that's your choice. It's completely outside my understanding of improving ones physique, but fair enough. For the record, the conventional wisdom would be that you should add lean mass (this includes tendons) to put more meat on skinny areas - even if you can't directly train them.
It wasn't my intention to be aggressive, so I'm sorry if it came across that way!
If you want to gain fat then that's your choice. It's completely outside my understanding of improving ones physique, but fair enough. For the record, the conventional wisdom would be that you should add lean mass (this includes tendons) to put more meat on skinny areas - even if you can't directly train them.
It wasn't my intention to be aggressive, so I'm sorry if it came across that way!
I'll try it on the bench itself. See what my max is on there, I was doing reps of 90 today no problem so I don't think it's out the realms of possibility.
I find the smith machine harder tbh. It seems to put a lot more pressure on my wrists. Well that's something for next week anyway.
I find the smith machine harder tbh. It seems to put a lot more pressure on my wrists. Well that's something for next week anyway.
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As others have said there is definitely progress there, also as others have said there is defiantly not 12kg of LBM gain.
Your upper body is doing well, but your hampering overall progress by neglecting your lower body.
Compare our before and after pics, yes your chest looks better then mine, but even at my close to 13st point you could see a little definition on my midsection. Now I have stripped down from that and am hovering back around the 11stone mark again, but looking a clear bit more defined take a cue from this, you have put on a bucket load of fat, you carry it well but your lift stats a concerning for someone who goes to a gym 4 times a week, and they just make your 12kg gains even more unrealistic.
I would say correct your diet a little (ie eat the correct amount of protein, and enough cals to be in surplus) ditch the weight gainer, as your just bloating out for no added benefit, visually or otherwise, and get squatting and dead lifting, otherwise you will become a poster boy for "not a leg was worked that day" pictures.
Your upper body is doing well, but your hampering overall progress by neglecting your lower body.
Compare our before and after pics, yes your chest looks better then mine, but even at my close to 13st point you could see a little definition on my midsection. Now I have stripped down from that and am hovering back around the 11stone mark again, but looking a clear bit more defined take a cue from this, you have put on a bucket load of fat, you carry it well but your lift stats a concerning for someone who goes to a gym 4 times a week, and they just make your 12kg gains even more unrealistic.
I would say correct your diet a little (ie eat the correct amount of protein, and enough cals to be in surplus) ditch the weight gainer, as your just bloating out for no added benefit, visually or otherwise, and get squatting and dead lifting, otherwise you will become a poster boy for "not a leg was worked that day" pictures.
I think he gained more than 4-5kg of LBM. Remember, LBM is just everything except fat. So water weight still counts as LBM technically. Did he gain 8kg of fat? No he did not. Did he gain 12kg of muscle? No.
But just to clarify, how much total weight did this person claim to gain? I likely missed some of this.
Appreciated.
Not sure what you mean by lift stats, that's just my work out on a particular day. I could do more on most, but I don't want to say so, cause the last time I said anything slightly out of line I never heard the end of it, so they're moderate.
Like I said working on the legs, cause I know that will push me to the 90kg 15stone point.
Does make me chuckle how you can estimate how much fat I have from a picture.
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I thought you said you had no fat to pinch before you started 'purposefully gaining fat'? Maybe i've had too much to drink but i can't even see any skinnyabs
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Definite improvement mate and you should be applauded for it, but I'd be very surprised if that's even 5kg of LBM gained, let alone 12kg
Does make me chuckle how you can estimate how much fat I have from a picture.
Your forgetting the fact I have pretty much followed the same weight pattern you have. I am not just basing it on a picture, but also personal experience, as many others would.
As for legs hurting, it's called doms, do legs a few times and they will stop hurting as much. By not working them out your neglecting half your body!
And by lift stats I mean exactly that, your weights for squat and Deadlift are very low, I would expect you to be able to work 5x5 squats and DLs at at least 110+ with a benching weight at 90. I work my bench at 70/85 (10 reps / 5 reps) but my squats are working weights between 100/115 (10 reps / 5 reps) and deadlifts 125 at 5 reps.
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Going back to a previous post of yours ChroniC, you don't need to feel bad for me that it took 5 years for me to look like I do at the same weight as you. You'll be there in another 4 years, as long as you don't keep putting on too much weight. Slow and steady gains will keep you lean.
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See I appreciate that it took you a long time as you want to be lean. I'm just different. I struggled as a young man to put on weight, I took up the gym as it seem to be the only way to fill out. It's working but I really am not hung up on looking lean. I like having muscles, I thought to be honest that the only way I could gain, but I don't want to be in a competition or on the front of Mens Health, that's not why I did it.
I'm 6ft3 so even 13stone I feel underweight.
I will make sure I don't end up with a paunch belly, but in all honesty I will probably aim for 15 stone in the next year.
I think more work on my legs make them bigger and I may be able to do it in 6-8 months. In fact I will post progress in January next year.
Oddly I really think that annoys some people.
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Caporegime
Work on your legs, that's a given, your upper body will only grow so far if the lower body is not on par. And to top it off, just train legs, it's not cool not too Train them properly, squats, deadlifts, everything else that's awesome.
All I'll say is, by all means, keep doing what you are doing, you seem to know that eating loads / drinking the weight gainer will give you some fat and potentially bloat your stomach a lot, so fair enough, just be prepared to cut at some point if you are intending on gaining 2 stone in the next year.
EDIT: I'd also keep an eye on fatty build up of internal organs really, someone mentioned it earlier and I also saw it the other day on something I watched, and it's a scary variable.
No ones is saying you need to look ripped or lean, just be aware that by drinking copious amounts of weight gainer, you are literally going to do just that, gain weight, but not in the nice fashion. I appreciated where you are coming from though with regards to finding it hard to put weight on.
Train them properly, squats, deadlifts, everything else that's awesome.All I'll say is, by all means, keep doing what you are doing, you seem to know that eating loads / drinking the weight gainer will give you some fat and potentially bloat your stomach a lot, so fair enough, just be prepared to cut at some point if you are intending on gaining 2 stone in the next year.
EDIT: I'd also keep an eye on fatty build up of internal organs really, someone mentioned it earlier and I also saw it the other day on something I watched, and it's a scary variable.
No ones is saying you need to look ripped or lean, just be aware that by drinking copious amounts of weight gainer, you are literally going to do just that, gain weight, but not in the nice fashion. I appreciated where you are coming from though with regards to finding it hard to put weight on.
Caporegime
See I appreciate that it took you a long time as you want to be lean. I'm just different. I struggled as a young man to put on weight, I took up the gym as it seem to be the only way to fill out. It's working but I really am not hung up on looking lean. I like having muscles, I thought to be honest that the only way I could gain, but I don't want to be in a competition or on the front of Mens Health, that's not why I did it.
I'm 6ft3 so even 13stone I feel underweight.
I will make sure I don't end up with a paunch belly, but in all honesty I will probably aim for 15 stone in the next year.
I think more work on my legs make them bigger and I may be able to do it in 6-8 months. In fact I will post progress in January next year.
Oddly I really think that annoys some people.
I joined the gym for exact same reason, I was a skinny guy who ate crap and didn't put on any weight. The difference is as you say, that I wanted to be bigger but also leaner. Carrying fat doesn't appeal to me. At 5ft 11" and 13st I'm considered quite big, or so people tell me.
6ft 3" and 13stone is pretty good, as I'm guessing you've not packed on much leg size? I made the same mistake, and then I put on a lot more weight and muscle once I trained legs properly.
I train for strength these days, with a bit of a cut to keep fat in check. Fat isn't healthy and needs to be managed in my opinion.
Yeah my legs are thin, compared to my upper body, as I've said I'm working on them now slowly. I do squat 80s as I prefer to do them well, so I don't end up unable to walk the next day. I should image if I really pushed it I could squat 100.
How do I keep an eye on internal fat? (I saw that BBC Horizon on it)
I do cardio, I'm not unfit. I am planning on swimming soon too.
How do I keep an eye on internal fat? (I saw that BBC Horizon on it)
I do cardio, I'm not unfit. I am planning on swimming soon too.
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