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XeNoN89 said:
Yea NO Xplode nearly gave me a panic attack when i tried it a few years ago.

Best ones used to be Jack3d, the original White Flood was decent as well, but I think the new one is better.

I've tried a few others as well but not thought much of them
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Try Frenzy you'll love it
 
I've tried the below two..

http://www.bodybuildingwarehouse.co.uk/warrior-rage-392g - loads of tingle on face very little of anything else. - Won't buy again.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cellucor/c4-extreme.html - good taste, good focus/pump and little tingle - good and would buy again..

got http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclepharm/assault.html?_requestid=2311030

coming tomorrow, we'll see how I like it.. I need a bit of kick after work to get my self to gym and get the best out of it.
 
Question. I have 5g creatine a day. My Musclepharm Assault has 5g per serving allegedly. I've only been having it once every week or so it messes with my sleep no matter what time of day I take it. Anyway, do I stop my creatine and have just the pre or have both?
 
Quinnaay said:
Question. I have 5g creatine a day. My Musclepharm Assault has 5g per serving allegedly. I've only been having it once every week or so it messes with my sleep no matter what time of day I take it. Anyway, do I stop my creatine and have just the pre or have both?
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just don't take your creatine when you take pre-workout, since you don't workout everyday you only need to take it when you don't take your pre-workout.. also creatine needs to be cycled..
 
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Quinnaay said:
Question. I have 5g creatine a day. My Musclepharm Assault has 5g per serving allegedly. I've only been having it once every week or so it messes with my sleep no matter what time of day I take it. Anyway, do I stop my creatine and have just the pre or have both?
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Musclepharm Assault doesn't have 5g creatine listed in the ingredients, more like 1g at the most.
grudas said:
just don't take your creatine when you take pre-workout, since you don't workout everyday you only need to take it when you don't take your pre-workout.. also creatine needs to be cycled..
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I disagree creatine needs cycling.
 
grudas said:
just don't take your creatine when you take pre-workout, since you don't workout everyday you only need to take it when you don't take your pre-workout.. also creatine needs to be cycled..
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I work out 5 days a week i just dont have a pre much unless i feel rubbish, and creatine does not need to be cycled. Its a farce and there's no scientific evidence that creatine causes any harm to the body when not cycling it. I've not cycled off it for a long time 5g a day every day. But thanks, ill probably skip the creatine when i have my pre.
 
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Chong Warrior said:
Musclepharm Assault doesn't have 5g creatine listed in the ingredients, more like 1g at the most.

I disagree creatine needs cycling.
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on the tub it says 5g per serving on the new Musclepharm assault whether its accurate or not i dont know. I can provide pictures of the tub, however im not entirely convinced ill be getting 5g a serving.
 
Quinnaay said:
Question. I have 5g creatine a day. My Musclepharm Assault has 5g per serving allegedly. I've only been having it once every week or so it messes with my sleep no matter what time of day I take it. Anyway, do I stop my creatine and have just the pre or have both?
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Errrr... I suspect the trouble sleeping is due to tje other stuff in your pre-workout; not the creatine. :)

Creatine is not sometjing to be taken in single doses a few times a week... it can, but the effects and benefits of it won't be realised this way.

Dosing protocols normally suggest load-maintenence cycling or circa 5g/day continuously to build up creatine to much higher concentrations in skeletal than normal, which does a number of things:

1) Creatine acts as a phosphate donor to ADP, the byproduct of muscle contractions, meaning the contraction can last longer and harder.
2) If consumed together with carbs, thosr carbs bind to creatine. This means more intra-muscular glycogen for the muscles to use once the creatine itself has been used up. The fun result of this is, as water binds to glycogen, muscles that appear bigger and harder.
3) High levels of creatine down-regulate the effect of myostatin, meaning that the breakdown of muscle that occurs during and after exercise is reduced. This means your body spends more time growing = bigger muscles.

Now it does all of this over a period of weeks and months: it has no instant effect other than to suck up water into muscles. Greater power output and mass come in between 6-10 weeks after dosing daily.
 
mrthingyx said:
Errrr... I suspect the trouble sleeping is due to tje other stuff in your pre-workout; not the creatine. :)

Creatine is not sometjing to be taken in single doses a few times a week... it can, but the effects and benefits of it won't be realised this way.

Dosing protocols normally suggest load-maintenence cycling or circa 5g/day continuously to build up creatine to much higher concentrations in skeletal than normal, which does a number of things:

1) Creatine acts as a phosphate donor to ADP, the byproduct of muscle contractions, meaning the contraction can last longer and harder.
2) If consumed together with carbs, thosr carbs bind to creatine. This means more intra-muscular glycogen for the muscles to use once the creatine itself has been used up. The fun result of this is, as water binds to glycogen, muscles that appear bigger and harder.
3) High levels of creatine down-regulate the effect of myostatin, meaning that the breakdown of muscle that occurs during and after exercise is reduced. This means your body spends more time growing = bigger muscles.

Now it does all of this over a period of weeks and months: it has no instant effect other than to suck up water into muscles. Greater power output and mass come in between 6-10 weeks after dosing daily.
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I not once said creatine was messing with my sleep, i take 5g creatine daily and have no problems sleeping or anything else, the pre is clearly keeping me awake from the stimulants in the ingredients i suspect.

But yes anyway, cycling isnt needed most people dont bother, same goes for "loading".
 
Quinnaay said:
I not once said creatine was messing with my sleep, i take 5g creatine daily and have no problems sleeping or anything else, the pre is clearly keeping me awake from the stimulants in the ingredients i suspect.

But yes anyway, cycling isnt needed most people dont bother, same goes for "loading".
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Sorry - your opening post on the matter wasn't clear. :)
 
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