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Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Discussion in 'Sports Arena' started by Freefaller, Sep 1, 2009.

  1. Somnambulist

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    Yeah creatine has plenty of evidence behind it... but it's still a kind of extra 1% sort of thing and the use of it isn't going to make or break progress. The only things that make a noticeable difference when it comes to the gym aren't the legal kind of supplements, if you know what I mean. If you're having some weird reaction consistently just drop it. In term of how what goes in your mouth affects your training, it's the same as how it affects your weight:

    Energy balance/calories > macronutrients >> micronutrients/fibre/water >>> meal timing and frequency >>>>>>>> supplements

    Also, caffeine is a diuretic so if you're a coffee monster like me that could influence how much water you're retaining.
     
  2. Draeger

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    Guys, out of curiosity, has anyone tried the Protein or meal replacement powder from B&M stores? Seems to get half decent reviews and for the price (RRP £29.99, they are selling it for £11.99) its pretty good? This stuff, grabbed two tubs of it today at my local store:-

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  3. mrthingyx

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    Half price is good... but it is just food at the end of the day.
     
  4. neoboy

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    Going to give Tyrosine a stab, like £3 for 250g bag from Myprotein right now. Need to stock up on whey anyway and need a few things to bump up to free postage so maybe grab some calcium too.
     
  5. Draeger

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    I'll see how it goes. Looking to use this as part of my lunch meal routine over the next while, sometimes end up eating on the hoof to a degree because of my new post at work so this could be worthwhile.
     
  6. iBSOD

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    Got 7 of these for £30 each

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  7. neoboy

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    I guess you pay that much for the DMAA?
     
  8. iBSOD

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    Yeah it's definitely worth the price. Tbh 60p a serving isn't that bad, tho previously I just had caffeine tablets that were like 10 or 20p a serving
     
  9. neoboy

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    Everything else on that list is pretty cheap to make a stack from yourself so as long as you think you get enough out of DMAA to justify the price tag. Used to use Jack3d when I lived in US before the "ban" myself and effect was good but I don't I'd invest over the odds.
     
  10. tom_e

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    That's a heavy dose of DMAA, think the most I've ever used was around 30mg combined with caffeine and the crash was already getting unpleasant.
     
  11. Steedie

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    I've never had anything from DMAA, doesn't do anything. I get more out of Caffeine

    Oddly enough, the one time I did get any kind of effect was on massively out of date Jack3d that had pretty much turned into one big lump. All that did though was make me feel massively depressed :D
     
  12. tom_e

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    The DMAA crashes I used to get basically had me sat in a room on my own questioning my own existence. Not a pleasant come down.
     
  13. iBSOD

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    Can't say I've experienced any sort of crash with DMAA, tho I haven't used it without caffeine which itself usually gives me a heavy fatigue afterwards (about 7pm each day when pwo at 9am)
     
  14. Trusty

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    Calcium & magnesium tablets are decent and cheap if you don't eat diary, i'm in a similiar situation, only buy coconut milk and Alpro yoghurts now, there's no need for some of these animal products now i feel, considering the world we live in
     
  15. neoboy

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    Can't say there are any ethical reasons behind it but it's a nice bonus I suppose. Was never a huge fan of milk anyway and also eat cheese and butter very rarely. Speaking of magnesium, wish I would get that great sleep effect everyone is raving about when they take it.

    My sleep is awful now as my bed is next to a window so as soon as I get the sun coming through, I'm tossing and turning and quality is really bad. Think I'll invest in some blackout curtains but I'm yet to find a supplement that helps as I've tried a few.
     
  16. Somnambulist

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    Make sure the magnesium you're getting is citrate since it's most other forms aren't as well-absorbed. I think you can get sprays too which you apply to the skin but I don't know if they're nearly as cost-effective as tablets. If you're going to try the Z/M thing it's about 25 mg zinc and 400-500 mg magnesium citrate. Don't overpay for ZMA since it's cheaper to just buy zinc and magnesium individually and some people find the B6 in has a negative effect on sleep. Also don't consume anything containing much calcium around the same time since they share the same transporters IIRC which would limit the amount you take in.

    I work shifts and blackout curtains, ear plugs and a decent eye-mask are musts. I've messed around with ordering melatonin online and 5-HTP but I find they're better for when I have to adjust my sleeping pattern v.s. going to sleep and more importantly, staying asleep since I'm more likely to have trouble with waking up randomly at 3am than I am getting to sleep in the first place.
     
  17. Trusty

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    http://www.ismh.org/en/scientific-spotlight/l-theanine-and-sleep-quality/
    L Theanine helps with sleep, take about 0.2g's before bed. Finish playing Squad earlier as well :p
     
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  18. neoboy

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    Yeah I seem to be waking up a lot around 5-6am at the moment and struggle to nod off despite being tired. I had a sleep mask in the past and this may be strange, but whenever I stick one on I start to get really weird dreams when normally I don't dream much at all. Tried 5-HTP before too and found little difference as well as other usual herbal stuff.

    Good to know about calcium and magnesium since a lot of places seem to sell them together.

    EDIT: Actually take Theanine already in the morning with my coffee as a nootropic kinda combo. Gave some to a friend in the past who did say it made him fall asleep in higher doses. In all fairness I have had trouble falling asleep my entire life but sleep quality seems particularly bad last few years.
     
  19. Trusty

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    Yea, i think as a society we undo how beneficial a good nights sleep is, it's so important. i've been terrible in the past, still am, frequently can't get to bed til 2 or 3. funnily enough, it's usually when i forget to take some L Theanine.
     
  20. currantloaf

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    Strong DMAA!

    Is myprotein still one of the best places (price wise) to pick up supplements?

    Looking to pick up some BCAAs (doing a fair bit of fasted morning cardio) Is there any difference/ benefit to tablets v powder? 10.95 for 250g at the minute with the Mystery discount they have going on

    Also had some creapure sitting around for a little while , gone a bit lumpy ... Do people think it will still be fine ? (personally i cant imagine it would have changed/broken down much)

    thanks