Sycamore Gap tree at Hadrian's Wall 'felled overnight'

No space in prisons and even with new prisons apparently being built they'll just get filled up by all the current overcrowding.

Prison guards are paid ludicrously low salaries for the responsibility they have which means inevitably they'll almost certainly end up in the supply chain for prison black markets if not actively working for the gangs themselves.
 
200sols said:
Know anyone with a brazen bull?

Seriously though, a decent prison term and make an example of this idiot.
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That's probably not going to happen though is it unfortunately. Some things just get into the national conciousness (if there is such a thing...) and upset a lot of people, I mean, a 15 year old schoolgirl was stabbed to death in London yesterday, but more people are upset about the tree being cut down.
I'll still be surprised if a 16 year old cut it down as professionally as that.
 
Uther said:
I mean, a 15 year old schoolgirl was stabbed to death in London yesterday, but more people are upset about the tree being cut down.
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Just like shootings in America, stabbings and killings in London has become so commonplace that its just another day... Unfortunately that extends to incidents where it's kids being killed.

This is the 15th teenage homicide this year. There were 14 last year.
According to Met Police data, between August 2022 and 2023, Croydon had more stabbings than any other borough in London, with 211 "knife crime with injury" offences recorded.
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Freakbro said:
Good to see that once political bias is removed everyone immediately drops the principal of innocent until proven guilty ;):cry:
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has he been named? if so then I agree you are correct, he shouldn't have been. if not however then I don't really follow because i assume anyone wanting punishment (regardless of the specifics) I assume they want it on a person actually who is guilty.

btw as an aside whilst I do think it is really sad and absolutely it's time that criminal damage (all criminal damage not just popular monuments) was punished with the view of acting as a deterrent I also agree some perspective is needed and there ARE far worse crimes.

that is why I think community service or even a stint of military school is not a bad shout. criminal damage is a crime that hopefully the perpetrator is not beyond help.
stabbing a school kid however not so much.
 
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Uther said:
That's probably not going to happen though is it unfortunately. Some things just get into the national conciousness (if there is such a thing...) and upset a lot of people, I mean, a 15 year old schoolgirl was stabbed to death in London yesterday, but more people are upset about the tree being cut down.
I'll still be surprised if a 16 year old cut it down as professionally as that.
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I don't think the two events are comparable really. Unfortunately, a stabbing isn't as uncommon as chopping down a piece of history. It's a bit like why the submersible sinking was talked about more than a refugee boat sinking. The shock factor doesn't mean one is more worthy of being talked about but it does end up that way.
 
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Worse things happen and are happening in the world, and places like this are for people to reflect, bring them some happiness for a short while.
It’s sick that someone could do this.
 
Uther said:
That's probably not going to happen though is it unfortunately. Some things just get into the national conciousness (if there is such a thing...) and upset a lot of people, I mean, a 15 year old schoolgirl was stabbed to death in London yesterday, but more people are upset about the tree being cut down.
I'll still be surprised if a 16 year old cut it down as professionally as that.
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Because people are desensitized to youths stabbing each other in London at this stage.
 
Kenai said:
Really struggle to understand why people do stuff like this - it's not like drunk teenagers finding it funny to smash up a bus stop or someone cutting down a tree so they can get more light or whatever... it's just... why would you go out of your way to do that?
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I don’t understand why people vandalise anything from bus shelters to kids’ playground equipment to public toilets.
 
cheesefest said:
I don’t understand why people vandalise anything from bus shelters to kids’ playground equipment to public toilets.
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Things like that are easier to understand though IMO - some people are just completely mindless / braindead and they find it funny in the spur of the moment, whilst drunk, whatever. Some people genuinely are just that simple.

Going out of your way to cut down a tree that's pretty much a national landmark isn't just a bit of mindless vandalism though, it's a deliberately planned and calculated action.
 
Increasing number of people who don’t give a toss for parks and the country code.

Having BBQs in public parks - only allowed them in designated areas, letting their dogs off leads in a field of sheep, not closing the gates behind them etc.

If you can’t respect these areas, don’t go to them
 
cheesefest said:
Increasing number of people who don’t give a toss for parks and the country code.

Having BBQs in public parks - only allowed them in designated areas, letting their dogs off leads in a field of sheep, not closing the gates behind them etc.

If you can’t respect these areas, don’t go to them
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It's largely people visiting the countryside from cities who never used to. They are used to throwing crap on the streets etc so they do it in the countryside as well :/

A colleague once saw a park gamekeeper shoot someone's dog after they let it off the lead and it was chasing the livestock. He asked the guy if it was his, he denied it, so he shot it. Towny got a taste of country life.
 
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Hagar said:
Innocent until proven guilty is for the court room and the press. No such constraint is placed on the stinking masses.
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*Whoosh*

That is my point. Doesn't seem to stop the frothers frothing every time someone dares to speculate on the innocence or guilt of someone they do like/have political bias towards.
 
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Freakbro said:
*Whoosh*

That is my point. Doesn't seem to stop the frothers frothing every time someone dares to speculate on the innocence or guilt of someone they do like/have political bias towards.
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If it is a 16 year old they won't name him anyway will they, even if found guilty? The local community will know though,and treat him accordingly.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
has he been named? if so then I agree you are correct, he shouldn't have been. if not however then I don't really follow because i assume anyone wanting punishment (regardless of the specifics) I assume they want it on a person actually who is guilty.

btw as an aside whilst I do think it is really sad and absolutely it's time that criminal damage (all criminal damage not just popular monuments) was punished with the view of acting as a deterrent I also agree some perspective is needed and there ARE far worse crimes.

that is why I think community service or even a stint of military school is not a bad shout. criminal damage is a crime that hopefully the perpetrator is not beyond help.
stabbing a school kid however not so much.
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Will that be happening for the 'warriors' cutting down ULEZ cameras?

Doubt it.
 
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