Tabletop Warhammer?

[gradyhawks]

Chaps,

I got asked to do a little commission work for someone and struggling to come up with a price since its models I've never worked on.

Commission is for building and base-coating miniatures. For the first one (a small vehicle) I've just asked for costs to cover paint and postage, see if he likes the result and will then after that charge proper prices.

It's going to be for both assembling the miniatures and priming them and then assembling, priming and base coating on others. I want to get into commission work like this as I've plenty of spare time and its a way to improve your painting, so don't need to earn loads but would like to earn enough to start building up my paint collection etc.

Any idea's?

 

[ShadowMan]

Honest advice is don't do it. I've done a few now from basecoating to full on armies and it never works out as good money and some clients can be a real pain. I only paint for friends now really and then we just agree a price in either board games or more models and we never have deadlines.

Depending on the models work out how long it is going to take you plus a cost for materials and then work from there. Building is mainly just time and people always shy away once they see how much it can cost as even a Rhino could take an hour or 2 to build and then you could airbrush a primer and basecoat in about 10 minutes. If he mainly want's them basecoating then get him to build them first.

I did 10 jetbikes from blister to finished for about £100. I lost out massively on time as it probably took me a good 3 or 4 hours to build and remove mold lines followed by a good 10 - 20 hours of painting with transitions, osl on power weapons etc. After materials I made about £80 for 20odd hours work. It was fun to do but no great.

 

[gradyhawks]

Sound advice to be fair! Haha, most folks that I know that do the odd bit of commission work just say don't do it!

Gonna give it a go, see how I manage. Thing is I have to do quite a bit of painting for my business (own a dice store! So need to paint terrain up so it looks D&Dy!) and I always want to get better so being able to practise on someone else's mini's is a "free" way of doing it.

Mainly looking for the fun on it to be honest, I do enjoy painting and if I can use some funds to pay for more paints all the better.

 

[mootonandy]

Can anyone explain to me the lure of these games? I do like a lot of things that could be considered "nerdy" but this warhammer looks absolutely mind numbing.

 

[Spuj]

Can anyone explain to me the lure of these games? I do like a lot of things that could be considered "nerdy" but this warhammer looks absolutely mind numbing.

You would have to elaborate a bit more as to why you think it looks 'mind numbing' to really understand your point and to be honest the same could be said for any hobby. Everyone has different interests in different things right?

The appeal of this hobby can cover quite a multitude of interests. There are a few ways to break down the hobby (I'll probably miss some):

1. Collecting Models. There are tons of different armies with different styles and units.
2. Building Models (including conversions)
3. Painting models and learning all the techniques there are.
4. Actually playing either the fantasy or sci-fi versions of the game whether it be friendly games, casual club games all the way to full blown tournament weekends.
5. Reading the Lore associated with the universes.

There are people that love all sorts of these aspects, I know people who are purely into the hobby to collect and build, some just love to paint and aren't bothered about the different armies, they just paint what they think is cool. Some people purely get into the game side of the hobby, so will buy painted armies or even buy models and get someone else to paint them.

The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't a one dimensional hobby, there is a lot to it.

If you mean the actual game itself, it's a tactical game that can be played 1 vs 1 up to as many players as you want with custom rules. It's like any other competitive game in effect, you are playing to beat your opponent. It can be simple when you are learning in the begging, however at the tournament level it can get quite complex. There are a huge amount of aspects to the games that would take more than me trying to explain in a forum post to really understand it. If you have specific questions or clarify your point I'm happy to try and explain some more

 

[mootonandy]

You would have to elaborate a bit more as to why you think it looks 'mind numbing' to really understand your point and to be honest the same could be said for any hobby. Everyone has different interests in different things right?

The appeal of this hobby can cover quite a multitude of interests. There are a few ways to break down the hobby (I'll probably miss some):

1. Collecting Models. There are tons of different armies with different styles and units.
2. Building Models (including conversions)
3. Painting models and learning all the techniques there are.
4. Actually playing either the fantasy or sci-fi versions of the game whether it be friendly games, casual club games all the way to full blown tournament weekends.
5. Reading the Lore associated with the universes.

There are people that love all sorts of these aspects, I know people who are purely into the hobby to collect and build, some just love to paint and aren't bothered about the different armies, they just paint what they think is cool. Some people purely get into the game side of the hobby, so will buy painted armies or even buy models and get someone else to paint them.

The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't a one dimensional hobby, there is a lot to it.

If you mean the actual game itself, it's a tactical game that can be played 1 vs 1 up to as many players as you want with custom rules. It's like any other competitive game in effect, you are playing to beat your opponent. It can be simple when you are learning in the begging, however at the tournament level it can get quite complex. There are a huge amount of aspects to the games that would take more than me trying to explain in a forum post to really understand it. If you have specific questions or clarify your point I'm happy to try and explain some more

It just looked like a guy throwing a dice and then getting a tape measure out then moving the figures a few inches, didn't look like theres any skill at all.

 

[MoNkeE]

It’s a turn based strategy game without a computer, I don’t believe you can be so dense as to not understand that. So I don’t know why you have such a trolling attitude in your questioning.

 

[Werewolf]

It just looked like a guy throwing a dice and then getting a tape measure out then moving the figures a few inches, didn't look like theres any skill at all.

As said above it's like playing a turn based strategy game on the computer, but with much more social fun, and playing against humans thus needing to learn to adapt what you're doing in response to how your opponent is playing.
There is also the element of learning what your units are and can do, vs the opponent's ones and trying to plan ahead several moves (for example is it best to move your troops forward their full move, or hold them back an inch or so in order that if the opposing unit charges even if they get their maximum move they can't reach you, allowing for an extra round of shooting), or knowing what order to fire your weapons and at what targets.


A large part of the fun of any wargaming is in who you are playing with, and the oddities of the system - the ongoing joke with my group is that I always fail "deepstrike" rolls as two of my armies relied on them for getting on the board (Daemons, and suit heavy Tau) and on the tables we played on there wasn't much open space, so I was regularly having mishaps much to the amusement of everyone else (especially when I, from memory got misplaced by X inches in a random direction, that happened to put my troops in the only other safe spot).
Or the times we've have utter flukes such as rolling a string of 6's so a really weak unit ended up wiping out a much stronger one completely (I had a unit that is notoriously for being worse than wet tissue paper in close combat tie up a much more expensive close combat specialist unit for most of a game), or your 15 point model that was ignored as it couldn't be a serious threat ends up blowing up far more expensive transport which then explodes killing half the squad in it (gun drones were fun, 6 to hit, str 5 gun needed a 6 to pen, it penetrated, then rolled a six on the damage chart causing an explosion which several marines in the rhino then failed saves).
I tend to lose more games than I win because I go with fun armies, often with units chosen for the fun or look rather than the efficiency and like the random events you get, especially with 40k and old fantasy (double 6's when a khorne magician was casting was fun).

That's completely ignoring the whole build and paint models aspect.

I actually find tabletop wargames more fun than most turn based PC strategy games, in large part because of the fun with friends (and the scenarios our GM usually comes up with, often involving odd jokes and fun but potentially backfiring bonuses for winning a game "Why yes, if you win this game you can use that bit of scenery there to move/lift a model once, but if the model falls off it's lost")

 

[Warbie]

I actually find tabletop wargames more fun than most turn based PC strategy games, in large part because of the fun with friends

Yeah, the social side is a big part of it. Like with video games - it's always better with mates in the same room. The other big draws for me are the hobby side - I love painting and converting minis/scenery - and being involved in the mechanics behind the game and the anticipation that comes with that. I haven't played 40K since 2nd edition, or Warhammer for that matter, but am into Shadow Wars, Necromunda and Bloodbowl, and I think the same applies. There's a big difference between working out the results of an action with dice rolls and modifiers than a button click. Someone tries to whack you leader with a chainsaw, you roll your dice, start applying modifiers based on weapon types, skills, who charged, who parried, who fumbled etc etc and there's a to and fro to the combat as one guy has the upper hand, then the other, as you're working it out. It's exciting in a way it's not at all when a PC works out the results for you in a split second. Now couple this with how much you value the minis and scenery you've put 100s of hours into creating - you get genuinely attached the world you've made and the characters in it - and video games, for me at least, honestly don't compare.

 

[CraigN]

How have i not noticed this thread before.

Had a trip to Warhammer World last weekend for a game/trip. This was a very fluffy game no net listing just fielding new models

4k lists this was the imperial force. My stuff is the Smurfs and the Knight. Friend has white scars/Custodes.

Picture of the battlefield.

Mortarion and his Death shroud are OP.

 

[MoNkeE]

More progress of Archaon, he’s really beginning to take shape now. Still a lot of work to go though!

https://m.imgur.com/a/yR9q6

Hyperlink as I can’t resize pics from my phone!

 

[Werewolf]

Those paintjobs look great

I'm still at 1 13 year old painting his first models stage as I never get enough time to practice (I'm just starting to assemble some models properly for the first time in nearly 3 years)

 

[Vtec9k]

Getting back into it since 8th after a long break. Almost finished this big guy for my primaris Salamanders army. Just tidy up some shade marks and a little more highlighting

 

[CraigN]

Current project, might take me some time.

 

[Spuj]

@MoNkeE He is coming on really nicely now, going to look amazing when finished. Such a cool model as well.

@Vtec9k From a fellow Salamanders player, that Redemptor is looking really good. I like your colour choice for the Plasma and the lava base is excellent as well. Also I like the way you've done your lenses, you've managed to get a really good 'reflective' effect

@CraigN Looks like a Porphyrion? If so that's a very cool model, looking forward to seeing your progress.

 

[CraigN]

Really liking the Redemptor Base. I have never done bases need to work out how to do something more interesting.

Yes its a porphyrion knight. Need to get some more greenstuff and magnets and the build can commence.

 

[MoNkeE]

Great lava base @Vtec9k - thinking of doing similar for Archaon seeing as he’s a chaos bad ass.

Thanks @Spuj

 

[Vtec9k]

Thanks for the comments guys.

First time doing a base like that, just cork sheet from amazon stuck with PVA glue and chaos black spray. If I was doing it again I'd make sure to "seal" the cork with a diluted PVA glue wash before spraying. The first undercoat flaked off badly and only read that tip after I'd done it.

That knight looks seriously imposing, look forward to seeing it!

 

[No1newts]

I'm just starting one of Escher gangers, so much more difficult than the Space Marines I've been practicing on

Just got to finish my white and metallic base layers before moving onto the finer pieces of the model but there is so much detail and in such small areas finding my hand is nowhere good enough to do it justice. Away all week with work so won't be able to progress sadly but hopefully finish basing and wash it at the weekend before going onto the layers.

 

[Vtec9k]

The Necromunda models are superb, I am a fan of the Esher ones too but not painted any yet. And yea super small and detailed!