Caporegime
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Teaching of Evolution being removed in Turkish schools
Soldato
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indeed, its not like there's actual hard evidence for evolution, the earth being older than 6000 years, the big bang etc......
whether or not there's a god is irrelevant to the argument, could well be as someone suggested the origins for the big bang may well have been created.
however there's a difference between believing in the existence of a god, and believing everything written in a book written by humans with no actual evidence, indeed to the contrary of things that do have actual evidence. this is the difference between rational normal people and idiots.
Caporegime
Of course religion is based around zero critical thinking.
Why did example would one believe in Islam over Christianity or Judaism etc.
Nothing but tradition, superstition and fear imo.
Why did example would one believe in Islam over Christianity or Judaism etc.
Nothing but tradition, superstition and fear imo.
Was just a humorous reference to a terribly stupid idea. I think you actually agree with me that being religious doesn't mean an absence of critical thinking ability.
My error, then. Easyrider said she was the UK's first Catholic Prime Minister. I was simply replying to suggest that Tony Blair had been.
Of Creationism vs. the Theory of Evolution?
I actually agree - but to me that means teaching children: "we believe Evolution is the explanation because ... and here is the evidence against a 4,000 year old Earth". Not "Some believe this, some believe that - all opinions have merit". Teaching the "pros and cons" or to put it more accurately arguments for and against, means you're going to be teaching evolution. And removing it from school syllabuses is a mistake.
Caporegime
Why? Self reflection isn't harmful in the slightest. Also Christian songs are generally rather positive affairs so can't exactly see that harming a child either. Plus group singing has been shown to have multiple benefits as well!
http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/16/singing-changes-your-brain/
Man of Honour
You can't backtrack those who go full retard sadly, which is a shame!
Soldato
Ahh, but if the operation goes to plan, the surgeon will simply said that God carried out the surgery.
It reminds me - 10 years ago, I was 1st-line support and the tech support team leader was overly religious (think born-again type) and he constantly reminded us that "God runs this department". He was also the bully in trying to convert me on a daily basis as he simply wouldn't get the message). Non-believers were 2nd class. I filed a grievance against him and he counter-filed a grievance against me, but karma got the better of him in the end and he resigned.
I beg to differ. Plenty of people convert to a religion without having grown up with the religious traditions, believing in supernatural events etc. For many it's a personal experience that just happens at a particular point in their life that causes them to look for God (or gods...).
That said, I would imagine that most religious people don't really believe in certain religious myths and haven't really thought about them (at least not in the same critical way they approach other religions).
Back on topic though, it's silly to remove evolution from classes but it's probably more of a political statement than one with religious influence.
indeed, and the silly thing is that these people all then need to apply similar denial towards other competing religions that atheists do, main difference being that atheists deny one more religion than them
The old "Balance" argument?
Kids today's lesson "Self decapitation - The Pro's and Con's", not entirely an "even" discussion hopefully.
gotta wonder what future societies will make of this sort of thing, I can only hope that as education around the world increases, in particular science education, that we'll see less of this nonsense
Hmmn, while Star Trek TOS makes little reference to religion. It does clearly imply that Earth still has a Monotheistic religion. I am pretty sure I recall In "Who Mourns for Adonis" Kirk claims that "We no longer have a need for Gods, we find the One sufficient" (Or words to that effect)
Being late 60's USA it would be taken pretty much for granted that this would be some sort of Protestant Christianity, to such an extent that it really wouldn't have needed to have been commented on any further..
As for later series such as next generation and DS9, there is a great deal of reference to the various religions of the different cultures involved.
I know it is a bit tongue in cheek, but to argue that Star Trek (and its spin-offs) portrayed a universe where religion no longer has a part to play in peoples lives is just wrong...
Hmmn, while Star Trek TOS makes little reference to religion. It does clearly imply that Earth still has a Monotheistic religion. I am pretty sure I recall In "Who Mourns for Adonis" Kirk claims that "We no longer have a need for Gods, we find the One sufficient" (Or words to that effect)
Being late 60's USA it would be taken pretty much for granted that this would be some sort of Protestant Christianity, to such an extent that it really wouldn't have needed to have been commented on any further..
As for later series such as next generation and DS9, there is a great deal of reference to the various religions of the different cultures involved.
I know it is a bit tongue in cheek, but to argue that Star Trek (and its spin-offs) portrayed a universe where religion no longer has a part to play in peoples lives is just wrong...
There is a episode in TNG where a child has a disease and they think he might die (his brother tricks him) I believe Crusher says when he asks what will happen to him, that some people used to believe there was an after life and that some still do. I think it is implied that religion still exists but it is very rare.
Not that relevant but didn't shattner write and direct star trek V where they find and kill "God" 
Would've been better if he'd done it hand to hand though!
Would've been better if he'd done it hand to hand though!
Hmmn, while Star Trek TOS makes little reference to religion. It does clearly imply that Earth still has a Monotheistic religion. I am pretty sure I recall In "Who Mourns for Adonis" Kirk claims that "We no longer have a need for Gods, we find the One sufficient" (Or words to that effect)
Being late 60's USA it would be taken pretty much for granted that this would be some sort of Protestant Christianity, to such an extent that it really wouldn't have needed to have been commented on any further..
As for later series such as next generation and DS9, there is a great deal of reference to the various religions of the different cultures involved.
I know it is a bit tongue in cheek, but to argue that Star Trek (and its spin-offs) portrayed a universe where religion no longer has a part to play in peoples lives is just wrong...
I would never deny that people tend to be Muslim/Christian/whatever simply because that's what they were born into. I did however specifically mention converts because, for example, a white convert to Islam would not have had the same upbringing as an Asian born to Muslim parents in relation to culture and tradition.
I'm all for people questioning their religion, hence my point also about people not applying the same level of critical thinking/reasoning to their own beliefs (easy to find flaws in other beliefs but not your own...)
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Caporegime
And people convert to Buddhism and scientology erc. Usually after a severe trauma when decision making is impaired and because they are looking to find answers or a way of dealing with a problem. Not because they spent years researching each possible religion to identify the most logical and realistic one that is actually likely to be the *correct* one.
But to query your point, what % of Muslims swap religions each year?