Teaching of Evolution being removed in Turkish schools
Yup, as I said in my initial post it's down to personal experiences and used Islam as an example.
There's lots who have left Islam, and some I know who converted to Christianity. Not sure why you're asking (assuming I was clear in my posts), I was making a point in response to your earlier point about fear, tradition and superstition. A convert to Islam (for example) would not necessarily be influenced by those three things. Nor would a Christian, Buddhist or X convert etc.
There is a level of critical thinking involved, unfortunately it's usually applied to others. I can speak about my own experience, which has got me into trouble on a few occasions lol
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A Turkish colleague of mine is extremely against this, and against most of the government's initiatives in general.
I would t even go that far. Teach creationism in religious education/RE/RS and teach evolution in science. The closest to doing so should be saying in science that some believe this, but science shows it's not true...
No need to mix the two up.
Edit:just realized I've basically said the same thing...
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Any teaching of Science should include how you reached those conclusions. Whether that's Newton's laws or the Theory of Evolution. It doesn't have to be comprehensive, but teaching of Science just as facts rather than "we know this because" is a waste, imo.
So teaching of Theory of Evolution properly inherently includes the justifications for it, I believe.
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Indeed 40% or more of the country might be against it, but these Islamist policies will be pushed forwards, and people who speak out will be arrested and removed.
On it will go, and the state will turn much less secular, and much more fundamentalist. Oh well. just what the region needs. Kurd killers to back up a faltering ISIS.
why is RE even a requirement?
we dopnt teach "cultures of the world" as a forced course, so it seems invalid on the point of it helping "enrichment"
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hmm, vague recollections on being lectured on abortion by a self proclaimed pro-lifer....
although i suppose tbf even with biased teaching it didn't sway my own opinions much.
no it didnt sway anyone's i know (well except one idiot) so it just seems a waste of students time.
would a "world studies" course not be a better waste of time?
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it'd certainly be good to get teaching kids that people from different places might have different ways, but are all basically the same underneath.
tbh a good session reading terry pratchett imo would be a better preparation.
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Ironically stupid statement is ironic and stupid.
You come in to a thread where the whole topic is about ignorance and propose that education on a massive part of the lives of billions of people on the planet should be abolished. Something that has shaped the history of the world and continues to do so. Genius.
Because it's a complete waste of an hour probably every week? When attainment levels in the country are falling, drop the ***** and teach everything else harder. It's also likely a factor in the silly number of people wasting their own time and the public purse on getting some pointless social degree.
I'd sign up for that, though most schools have strict admission policies about 40+ year old's.
People have bizarre views about the influence/capability of the average teacher in the UK, if you don't sit and read with your kids, school really isn't going to magically turn them into avid readers imho.
I agree, there's no way you can really teach science without teaching the justifications anyway IMO. Science is a way of thinking, just as much theories and facts - hence the reason so scientists can generally jump between fields reasonably easily.
Disagree strenuously!
If it were abolished you'd be set more homework for subjects you'd actually have to do the homework for. And that hour of snoozing was always looked forward to.
But in all seriousness also this. Whether it should be a full hour a week for several years is another matter though.
Disagree strenuously!
If it were abolished you'd be set more homework for subjects you'd actually have to do the homework for. And that hour of snoozing was always looked forward to.
But in all seriousness also this. Whether it should be a full hour a week for several years is another matter though.
Then abolish PSE aswell and then roll them into something more adequate.
That said how religious/atheist this country is, is a serious matter for debate.
In the 2011 census which asked the leading question "what is your religion" - 25% said none.
2 yougov polls also explored the issue of using a leading question in 2011
Each Asking
"what is your religion" returned 53/39 (none)
"are you religious" returned 29/65 (no)
In all probability and having worked in a roman catholic faith school, people who believe this country are in the majority of one religion or another, are likely basing that on as much faith and lack of genuine evidence, as their belief in God in the first place!
As a bare minimum 25% on the 2011 census specifically said no religion to the leading question and 7.2% decided to not identify a religion/answer the question.
There is a good infographic from here below:
https://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/r...e-surveys-and-statistics/census-2011-results/
how much id you learn in RE.
honestly?
cause i dont remember anything but the fact the re teacher did the sex ed class.
i went to that lass once a week for at least a year or two and honestly i cannot remember one thing from it at all.
i learned mroe about religion by meeting religious people.