Tearing down statues

The Running Man said:
Time to scrap Churchill then

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We should take the Mandella statue down as well then. He actually did kill a few people in car bombings. That's why he was sent to prison.
 
Nasher said:
We should take the Mandella statue down as well then. He actually did kill a few people in car bombings. That's why he was sent to prison.
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I’m pretty sure that he was imprisoned for “attempting to overthrow the State”, people in his organisation may very well have killed others in car bombings etc, but I don’t think that he personally was ever accused of that.
 
Nasher said:
We should take the Mandella statue down as well then. He actually did kill a few people in car bombings. That's why he was sent to prison.
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I doubt even a left wing council or government would have the cojones to remove Churchill from his pedestal. For all his (by today's standards) outdated opinions on colonialism, he is a bona fide war hero to people here and around the world. No chance.
 
You guys have and are still being groomed.

Anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...their-acquittals-to-fan-flames-of-culture-war
Conservative MPs and rightwing commentators have misrepresented the jury’s verdict in the trial of the four protesters who toppled the statue of the slave trader Edward Colston in order to fan the flames of a divisive culture war, one of the defendants has told the Observer.

Rhian Graham said the jury had accepted the argument put forward by the protesters’ lawyers – that they had a lawful excuse to remove the statue because continued veneration of a slave trader responsible for the brutal transportation of thousands of enslaved African people in the centre of Bristol amounted to a hate crime.
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“None of us denied toppling the statue. But we definitely did not admit to criminal damage. We all believed what we did was right and necessary – and the jury listened for 10 days and found we acted lawfully,” she said in a pub garden in the city.

“The verdict does not give people the right to go around smashing things up willy-nilly.”
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However, the attorney general, Suella Braverman, said on Friday she was considering referring the case to the court of appeal to clarify the law as the verdict was “causing confusion”. The acquittals cannot be overturned and there cannot be a retrial without fresh evidence, but judges could be asked to clarify points of law.

This came after a backlash from Tory MPs, who claimed the verdict was “perverse” and “a vandal’s charter” that “allows anyone to rip down statues, vandalise public art and memorials or desecrate buildings”.

John Hayes MP, who wrote to Braverman on behalf of the “anti-woke” Common Sense Group of Tory MPs, claimed the jury was devoid of an understanding of criminal damage because if “you damage, destroy or deface property without permission, you are guilty by definition”.

The Daily Mail columnist Richard Littlejohn asserted the four cleared protesters had made no attempt to deny they had been caught on camera “committing criminal damage”.
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However, legal experts have pointed out the law does allow property to be damaged if there is “a lawful excuse”. The Colston verdict follows similar cases where juries have found environmental and anti-war campaigners were justified in damaging property to prevent greater crimes.
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Graham – who brought rope to the demonstration and helped the crowd drag the statue from its pedestal – said misleading comments by some MPs were preventing vital conversations about the country’s history.
“These tactics are really damaging to unity because people hang on to these taglines and buzzwords rather than delving into the nuances of each situation,” said Graham, who works in the events industry.

“I keep hearing that this case is a green light for pulling down statues. But it’s not – it’s about this statue, in this city, in this time.”

The group’s impassioned, tearful remarks on the steps of Bristol crown court after they were exonerated were derided as “woke platitudes” by the Daily Mail. Other papers referred to the four cleared protesters as “vandals” and “woke statue-topplers” in the days that followed.
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“The war on woke is a feeble attempt to find another scapegoat – a sort of mythical enemy to blame everything on,” said Graham. “Woke is actually a colloquial term for being aware of social injustice – it’s been appropriated by the right as a way to demonise young people who care about equality and making the world a better place.”

While Graham has become the unofficial spokesperson for the Colston Four, she has been careful to closely guard her privacy, partly out of fears about “being targeted” by “malicious people” enraged by the culture war stoked by Tory MPs.
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exactly is was pre-mediated too per earlier link - her convinction was not long held.
age 30 Ms. Graham said during the trial she had signed a petition to remove the statue of Colston before helping to destroy it.
She claimed she had no background in politics or activity originally, but from 2019I started to make more friends who are more passionate about history, politics and equality.
“I was a little embarrassed about my knowledge and felt that I needed to be more involved with the world.”

Boris hasn't yet financed a brexit statue/memorial -
 
Nasher said:
They need to put that on the south coast, facing France.
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I think I can safely assure you that if 20 statues of Churchill giving the V sign for **** off were placed side by side on the South Coast facing France, les Français wouldn’t give a merde.
A collective shrug maybe, but that’s about it.
 
jpaul said:
Boris hasn't yet financed a brexit statue/memorial -
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Presumably it'll be a statue of BoJo giving the V-sign and smoking a cigar while a slightly indeterminate number of children kneel gratefully at his feet whilst looking up adoringly at him.
 
Hagar said:
I doubt even a left wing council or government would have the cojones to remove Churchill from his pedestal. For all his (by today's standards) outdated opinions on colonialism, he is a bona fide war hero to people here and around the world. No chance.
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It would more likely be Brexiters demanding that since Churchill was very outspoken about a political Union of European countries
 
Nasher said:
We should take the Mandella statue down as well then. He actually did kill a few people in car bombings. That's why he was sent to prison.
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Try it, I doubt you have the bravery to even step outside the house to do something like that, never mind the skill or political backing to even get to central London and even touch the statue.

Unlike the Countering Colston movement who did so with such great success.

That’s the difference between the cry babies upset about a statue on here and people who actually do things. Actions speak louder than forum posts.
 
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D.P. said:
It would more likely be Brexiters demanding that since Churchill was very outspoken about a political Union of European countries
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Brexiteers maybe realise that Churchill wanted a Union of Europe for Europe and didn't see the UK as part of it. At the time we were still a significant Empire.
 
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