Terrible Jaguar re-brand

They can demand EV sales all they like. But if the public isn't buying them, they won't meet targets. The infrastructure is also a long way off being ready for 2030.

I've heard peoples experiences of driving to certain parts of the country. Not many chargers and often queues of people waiting. Adds hours to the trip each way. That sort of thing (and also how do people without driveways charge it?) is putting people off.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
The additional manufacturing impact is paid back in under 9000 miles. In terms of the useful life of the car, it’s negligible.

Not to mention the local air quality benefits, particularly if you are just trundling around town where that really matters.
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Hmm. I thought it was much much more than that? I'm sure it said it took years under normal conditions? Although I can't quote a source.

Had a loom round seems like figures are roughly 11k miles for an average.
So with an smaller engined car probably.. What 15k miles?

So about 3 years ish for us


But yes. Seems a moot point as the car will persist much longer than that.

Looks like outlets still publish old reports at 50k miles etc for break even but these are just not correct.
 
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413x said:
Looks like outlets still publish old reports at 50k miles etc for break even but these are just not correct.
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naaah cant be that our utterly biased / corrupt media would push nonsense like that ? surely not ;)

when i bought my car it already had 42k miles on the clock, so i figure my car was already in the black long before i bought it, the fact i only really do 7500 miles a year in it now does not really matter. contrary to popular belief it still is within a margin of error of the range it was when new as well.... maybe down 15 miles worst case scenario - but i would have to drive a new one to be sure for a few months.... maybe jonnycoupe could loan me his for a test?
 
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Nasher said:
They can demand EV sales all they like. But if the public isn't buying them, they won't meet targets. The infrastructure is also a long way off being ready for 2030.

I've heard peoples experiences of driving to certain parts of the country. Not many chargers and often queues of people waiting. Adds hours to the trip each way. That sort of thing (and also how do people without driveways charge it?) is putting people off.
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Charging anxiety is IMO on the key blockers.. even now, despite some flaws (as all cars have), I'll quote a u-tube channel: 'Just get a Tesla'..


The poor old Peugeot had horrific wait times!

One of the complete Ironies in jaGuars stated approach is their targeting of the 'time poor, cash rich', anyone 'time poor' will not be relishing not only the (barely reasonable) charge times, but the random and sporadic wait times which can be significant..

Still, I'm still looking forward (positively) to the car, I don't have to be able to fathom how their marketing is going to elevate jaGuar to the luxury market, but the media are all over the place, some say the target is Bentley, some quote £130k entry point which is top-end BMW iX territory which seems achievable..
 
But how many people are actually going to pay 130 grand and up for a Jag? Then in a few years it'll be worth 30, because its a Jag.

They have things upside down tbh.
 
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jpaul said:
yes heard too - Jaguar should have not taken the bate of trying to justify/defend their diversity position - they evidently weren't prepared for kick-back, and,
used the opportunity of Musks involvement to better ends than asking him for a cuppa at the 2dec reveal
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What kick back, its brilliant!

There's nothing more British than settling something over a cup of tea. Are you really suggesting cos he tweeted Jaguar wanted to then have his help?
 
413x said:
Hmm. I thought it was much much more than that? I'm sure it said it took years under normal conditions? Although I can't quote a source.

Had a loom round seems like figures are roughly 11k miles for an average.
So with an smaller engined car probably.. What 15k miles?
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Demon said:
Charging anxiety is IMO on the key blockers.. even now, despite some flaws (as all cars have), I'll quote a u-tube channel: 'Just get a Tesla'..


The poor old Peugeot had horrific wait times!

One of the complete Ironies in jaGuars stated approach is their targeting of the 'time poor, cash rich', anyone 'time poor' will not be relishing not only the (barely reasonable) charge times, but the random and sporadic wait times which can be significant..

Still, I'm still looking forward (positively) to the car, I don't have to be able to fathom how their marketing is going to elevate jaGuar to the luxury market, but the media are all over the place, some say the target is Bentley, some quote £130k entry point which is top-end BMW iX territory which seems achievable..
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That test was a bit of joke, they stopped 10 times to charge, wtf were they doing. Ive done 5.5k in less than 2 months, fairly heavy miles, i did a trip to disney paris, the round trip was 5 charges, no more than 20 mins at any charger. In all my uk driving, ive only needed to do 3 charges, no queues, no faulty chargers, no headache. Granted i did a bit of research, but the stops on ABRP matched up with the car's recommended stops.
 
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They can demand EV sales all they like. But if the public isn't buying them, they won't meet targets. The infrastructure is also a long way off being ready for 2030.

I've heard peoples experiences of driving to certain parts of the country. Not many chargers and often queues of people waiting. Adds hours to the trip each way. That sort of thing (and also how do people without driveways charge it?) is putting people off.
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Tbh i find getting petrol tedious now after the car filling up when parked and never needing to think about it.
 
last time i filled up was the wifes i3 in march. a grand total of 7 litres of vpower. its got to the point where we need to deliberately burn it off as i am not sure how long fuel lasts. the tank is still half full and what has been burned has just been maintaining the petrol engine rather than a necessity.
 
413x said:
About 27k km for my choices

But if I got a new car it would be an EV. But without subsidies I wouldn't get a new car. It would be a used ICE
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so about 17k miles then....................... why not a used EV? plenty of decent ones about now for good money. even more so if you dont do long range miles. PS i wouldnt get a new car either unless i could get those sweet tax deals..... but that is true regardless of fuel type.
(unless i win the lottery... then i will sell my soul to the god of climate destruction and buy a lambo Huracan and to hell with it ;) )
 
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Tinders said:
That test was a bit of joke, they stopped 10 times to charge, wtf were they doing. Ive done 5.5k in less than 2 months, fairly heavy miles, i did a trip to disney paris, the round trip was 5 charges, no more than 20 mins at any charger. In all my uk driving, ive only needed to do 3 charges, no queues, no faulty chargers, no headache. Granted i did a bit of research, but the stops on ABRP matched up with the car's recommended stops.
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To be fair, if you blindly follow the sat nav, don’t bother booking your overnight stop somewhere with a charger (or chargers locally), that will probably be your experience.

Just like in the U.K., there is also likely to be an empty charger 5 mins away which largely get ignored because the sat nav says use these ones.

They also glossed over the ‘free’ in terms time charge they had at the euro tunnel and the fact the ICE driver needed to stop for breaks on top of their fuel stops. You aren’t driving 500 miles, let alone 1000 without a break.

But yes, I also agree, 10 charges over 1000 miles seems rather excessive, particularly given they left the euro tunnel with 100%.

Speaking of the Euro tunnel, they complained about the pricing of the generic chargers while parked next to an open to all supercharger…
 
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so about 17k miles then....................... why not a used EV? plenty of decent ones about now for good money. even more so if you dont do long range miles. PS i wouldnt get a new car either unless i could get those sweet tax deals..... but that is true regardless of fuel type.
(unless i win the lottery... then i will sell my soul to the god of climate destruction and buy a lambo Huracan and to hell with it ;) )
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Too expensive and not enough range yet.
Used EVs in my "it's just a car" price range don't have the range for me.

I'm not opposed to a used EV but need the range. The ones with good range are too new and thus too expensive on second hand market.

For context the car we have now cost 3k
 
lol oops! i thought we were!.
sorry for my part in any derail.......

only 5 more days to go and then we will have some actually meat to chew on hopefully. (i really hope i can post and say........ its still a crap add, and still a killing of a perfectly good logo...... but at least it a great looking car!)
 
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413x said:
About 27k km for my choices

But if I got a new car it would be an EV. But without subsidies I wouldn't get a new car. It would be a used ICE
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Why not a used ev?

I-pace have some great offerings although looks are a bit...hmm. lovely front, weird rear quarter.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
What kick back, its brilliant!

There's nothing more British than settling something over a cup of tea. Are you really suggesting cos he tweeted Jaguar wanted to then have his help?
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maybe jorgy will comment on my summary of the program ... but Jaguar didn't sound as though they had expected the furor and their media replies seemed beligerant -
and, if we believe people are influenced by musk (personally have no need to follow anyone) Jaguar might have made more of their reply to him,
but I guess you don't have time on twitter to review a twitter reply through high levels of management
'we'll send you a car gratis Elon and you can give us your opinion' ? - (I read recently the ford ceo likes driving his xiomi so little confidence in his brand)
 
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