Thailand develops HIV vaccine

[benneh]

5* thread.

The idiots are in rare form today!.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

HIV is a totaly preventable virus it doesn't need a vaccine, if you sleep about and use no protection there is a change that you are going to get it. I feel sorry for no adult that catchs it and I don't believe that it should be treated. If it can't be cures then it should not be treated, the quicker they die of the better.

What about children who are born with it? What about people who are raped and contract it (of which there are hundreds of thousands in this world, excluding the resulting offspring)

 

[Orcish-Horde]

You know the 'local bikes' in every bar/nightclub in the world, do you? And thanks for the condom advice. I knew I was going wrong somewhere...

Well you are not going to chatch HIV by not having sex every time a bike smiles at you.

 

[Van Hellseek]

Seriously though, surely you've ******* yourself once when one's split?!

My point being, telling someone "don't rip the thing" isn't exactly helpful advice. When it happens it's rarely through the fault of the user.

 

[Van Hellseek]

Well you are not going to chatch HIV by not having sex every time a bike smiles at you.

That sentance doesn't even make sense.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

I also want to point out that the chances of contracting HIV from someone with HIV through non-violent, heterosexual intercourse are so, so very tiny. You are more likely to catch HIV through French-kissing someone with HIV who has sore throat.

 

[meghatronic]

Can you say 100% impossibility? confident enought you are willing to snog someone with HIV?

I don't think so.

There is a chance, 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% or whatever, I've just given you herpes over the internets. Reductio ad absurdum much? The chance is negligible. We can't stigmatise HIV+ people. They're still human! And yes I'd kiss someone with HIV. Hell, I may have? Who knows.

To be fair if they did actually listen to the advice from the Catholic Church rather than just one part of it then HIV transmission rates would drop like a stone. For some reason they listen to the "Don't use condoms" bit but completely ignore the "Don't have sex outside of marriage" bit.

Interesting point. But sex = good. Although I'm not sure why starving Africans have children. (not being a **** am actually wondering).

 

[Raymond Lin]

And numbers 2, 3, 4, 5 for the general public are a non issue and poss no risk to the bulk of us.

Sigh...think outside the box for a second

Next time you get in an accident, no fault of your own, in a foreign country and need a blood transfusion...think back to what i said.

If you are thinking you will never visit a 3rd world country, hospital in THIS make blunders, a LOT of them and only a FRACTION get on the news. Think about that.

 

[meghatronic]

My point being, telling someone "don't rip the thing" isn't exactly helpful advice. When it happens it's rarely through the fault of the user.

I think it is helpful advice, everyone should know how to use condoms, and accept the risks with them.

Now [5] is a difficult issues. On the one hand part of me thinks that those that we help live longer increase their risk of infecting someone else (or multiple more people) and the sa,e time it isn't "right" to just let them die.

Well, yes we should treat them. As mother-to-child transmission can be reduced to effectively zero with the right (and timely) drugs.

 

[Django x2]

I completely fail to see the point of a vaccine which will only protect against what should really be an underlying function of people's common sense.

Unprotected sex or sticking up a mans rear carries a risk which people can now be vaccinated against.

And yes, I know, girls might get the bad HIV by being raped. Well it's too late, it's not a cure, it's a vaccine.

You cant say, "oh I better get vaccinated incase I get raped tonight".

 

[Hatter The Mad]

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/fatal-infection/

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You cant say, "oh I better get vaccinated incase I get raped tonight".

Umm... why not?

"oh I better get vaccinated against Tetanus in case I get stabbed"
"oh I better get vaccinated against measles in case I catch it"
...

 

[RDM]

Interesting point. But sex = good. Although I'm not sure why starving Africans have children. (not being a **** am actually wondering).

Yes, sex is good, but if you are going to have it our of wedlock then why are you overly concerned about using a condom being a sin? So blaming the Catholic Church for it seems a bit off. What you can however blame the Catholic Church for is deliberately spreading lies about the effectiveness of condoms vs HIV.

 

[Django x2]

ok, so you can say it. But with a 30% reduction rate. It seems rather pointless.

 

[meghatronic]

I completely fail to see the point of a vaccine which will only protect against what should really be an underlying function of people's common sense.

Unprotected sex or sticking up a mans rear carries a risk which people can now be vaccinated against.

And yes, I know, girls might get the bad HIV by being raped. Well it's too late, it's not a cure, it's a vaccine.

You cant say, "oh I better get vaccinated incase I get raped tonight".

???

You are vaccinated against TB which (again immigration aside) was pretty much wiped out in the country. Why? Why did you take the vaccine? Surely no one with TB is going to cough all over you.... Risk.

It isn't just unprotected sex - and stick up mans bum - lol @ gay hate. Receptive bum fun has a 5x risk to receptive vaginal sex. (negligible difference between insertive anal or vaginal). Gay men have more bum fum than hetero couples (on average), hence the association.

What you can however blame the Catholic Church for is deliberately spreading lies about the effectiveness of condoms

That's kind of what I meant .

 

[Raymond Lin]

Well, yes we should treat them. As mother-to-child transmission can be reduced to effectively zero with the right (and timely) drugs.

You can't pick who to treat and who doesn't. Doctors take an oath to do no harm and treat all patients put in front of them. When you start alienating a class of population, you are at a slippery slope, a VERY slippery one.

 

[Tefal]

Interesting point. But sex = good. Although I'm not sure why starving Africans have children. (not being a **** am actually wondering).

More children means you have more people to work the ground/help out/gather money/food etc.

 

[meghatronic]

You can't pick who to treat and who doesn't. Doctors take an oath to do no harm and treat all patients put in front of them. When you start alienating a class of population, you are at a slippery slope, a VERY slippery one.

I'm not sure what point you are making here, with reference to me.

But, to be fair, you can pick whom to treat.

• Innocent child who caught HIV during childbirth (1in4 chance incidently).
• Rapist who infected 70 women directly.

I know where I'd want my drugs.

Incidentally, the oath does not extend to harm by inaction (or else DNRs would be off the table).

More children means you have more people to work the ground/help out/gather money/food etc.

I accept that in India, or what not, but in SS Africa? There are no jobs, no money, no food etc.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I'm not sure what point you are making here, with reference to me.

But, to be fair, you can pick whom to treat.

• Innocent child who caught HIV during childbirth (1in4 chance incidently).
• Rapist who infected 70 women directly.

I know where I'd want my drugs.

Its not about where YOU want the drugs, its about Doctors treat everyone put in front of them. They can't turn away patients because of their class, background, colour or life style.

 

[meghatronic]

Its not about where YOU want the drugs, its about Doctors treat everyone put in front of them. They can't turn away patients because of their class, background, colour or life style.

Again, not sure how that is relevant, but I accept your statement.