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Think what FF is getting at is people people use genetics as an excuse for giving up / not training hard.

If you look at yourself in the mirror you can build a pretty decent picture of where you'd be with extra mass. Your genetics will dictate the general shape of the mass but you can still put mass on.

Benny pretty much summed it up anyway

Regardless of how we looked we could both get to 250lbs with some serious dedication, diet and training and most of all time. We are limited as such by our genes but anything is possible.
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Sure, if a wirey small framed boy wants to hit the size of Coleman it's never going to happen even with gear. However, he can pack on a heck amount of muscle - sure he'll never be as big as he wants to be, as you say that's genetics, BUT your statement originally made was that some people can't put on muscle or pack on size no matter how hard they train. That, my friend, is a lot of tripe.

Furthermore, I think you're wrong about the people on here. A lot of people have made awesome progress. Remember that this is generally speaking a computer hardware forum, and we have some chaps here who are at an incredibly good level of a) strength b) ability c) have achieved some incredible results.

I'm not going to sit here and have you lambast and downplay the awesome achievements people have made here. I honestly think that people here are WAY above average, considering this is not a dedicated BB forum. Furthermore, these guys in a BB forum would be very well placed as they are way above average. Frankly, your attitude stinks, as does your knowledge.
 
So, i am not allowed to have my say unless i agree with you?

I am not putting people down. May come across like that but not intended anyway. Sorry to all if it seems that way guys.

Just that people harp on that everyone can get big and put on lots of muscle but that is not quite true. Not 'everyone' can. Fact.

I 've looked at lots of pisc and i think, my personal view, that nobody really stands out. Ok, some have got some good shape etc but i wouldn't say anyone looks fantastic.

Maybe i am looking at it in a wrong way as i used to train like mad years ago and used to hang around with some remarkable people who had awesome genetics. Of course, there were those in the gym that trained just as hard, ate just aswell but really had poor results. I for one trained hard and ate really well but just didn't improve like some of my team mates.

Hard work will get you somewhere but not always where you aim.

Sorry i am not writing what you want to hear Freefaller but not everyone has the same views etc. It is only a discussion so no need for anyone to get upset.

I applaud anyone who puts 100% into anything they do. And some on here have made big turn arounds in how they look etc. That is awesome. So, no need for you to get aggresive. It is only 'My' view.
 
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cavonia said:
Just that people harp on that everyone can get big and put on lots of muscle but that is not quite true. Not 'everyone' can. Fact.
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This is not a fact. And pritty much where your argument ****s all over it's own face.

Unless you have some sort of genetic disorder upon which your body is eating its muscle for fuel or attacking it and breaking it down.

You're alive and able to move around, jump, run, crouch, stand up. So you have muscle. You body has built muscle and it can build more.

The people you have seen eat well and train hard must have needed to eat more and change their training and train even harder! If you get the elements nailed (which they clearly weren't if they didn't progress) there is no reason not to progress. End of.

Edit: From the Dorian Yates video. He mentions if you're benching 60KG x 10 x 3 and 2 years down the line still benching 60KG x 10 x3 but 10lbs heavier you've put on 10lbs of fat. You'd be doing somethig wrong wether it be nutrition, training or rest.
 
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Hes just mad his mates were on gear years ago and wouldn't tell him where to get some :p
I don't know why I bother keep saying it but 200lb (+5-10 absolute max) stage weight at 6ft and you are absolutely insanely high caliber. Now we have guys way over that weight but holding their share of bodyfat and we have ripped guys a fair way under that weight. All are working towards their own personal goals and look much better than the average man on the street.
Eurgh....
 
cavonia said:
Just that people harp on that everyone can get big and put on lots of muscle but that is not quite true. Not 'everyone' can. Fact.
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EVERYONE can put on slabs of muscle, its HOW THE HUMAN BODY WORKS! The only way you couldnt is if you had some sort of problem through disease/abnormality etc.

The people who don't put on muscle DO NOT know what they are doing, simple as that, saying that it doesnt happen over night, it takes years to get huge and this is why most people never reach a high level, not because they 'cant' but because they dont have the dedication.

The body is genetically designed to put on muscle/increase neural function when all variables are met, such as overloading a muscle beyond its capabilities, when this happens your body ALWAYS rebuilds itself stronger so it can deal with the problem next time, its how were designed to function.

This is how going to the gym works and if your doing it properly, with correct diet and rest, its impossible not to grow.
 
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This is not a fact. And pritty much where your argument ****s all over it's own face.
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Indeed.

Unless you have some sort of genetic disorder upon which your body is eating its muscle for fuel or attacking it and breaking it down.

You're alive and able to move around, jump, run, crouch, stand up. So you have muscle. You body has built muscle and it can build more.
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Yup - it's a natural defence mechanism of cells, to multiply and increase to prevent the same impact/damage from occurring again. Basic science/biology. Hence why we build more muscle, it rips, tears and gets destroyed, and has to build more to stop it happening again.

The people you have seen eat well and train hard must have needed to eat more and change their training and train even harder! If you get the elements nailed (which they clearly weren't if they didn't progress) there is no reason not to progress. End of.
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Indeed, or if they miraculously changed quickly over a small period of time, I'd suggest some illegal supplementation. ;)

Edit: From the Dorian Yates video. He mentions if you're benching 60KG x 10 x 3 and 2 years down the line still benching 60KG x 10 x3 but 10lbs heavier you've put on 10lbs of fat. You'd be doing somethig wrong wether it be nutrition, training or rest.
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I'd extend this further. Walk into a gym, and see someone benching 60kg, and go back a year later, and if that person is still benching 60kg, he's not training properly.

dun said:
Hes just mad his mates were on gear years ago and wouldn't tell him where to get some :p
I don't know why I bother keep saying it but 200lb (+5-10 absolute max) stage weight at 6ft and you are absolutely insanely high caliber. Now we have guys way over that weight but holding their share of bodyfat and we have ripped guys a fair way under that weight. All are working towards their own personal goals and look much better than the average man on the street.
Eurgh....
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Exactly everyone has their own goals - but everyone can improve their body significantly with a bit of effort. :)



Carvonia, sorry we got off on the wrong foot. You are entitled to disagree, but some of the things you are saying just aren't accurate or correct.

Apology accepted re: putting people down here. Thank you. :)

I will never get to where I want to be - that's what drives me to keep at it, as long as I'm improving myself, that's all that matters. :) So as long as people are getting closer to their goals surely that's progress no?
 
True. However, whilst I disagree with some people on here, and agree with others, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me, I'm happy to be challenged. :) I think maybe the way you expressed your view point or the actual point you were making was a little confusing maybe?
 
I've just had my BF and measurements done again, and I've dropped over 1.5%BF, chest, shoulder and arm measurements have increased, waist has gone down almost an inch (just touching 36"), and I've dropped 1kg. So I'm doing something right. My strength is back up too. So I've dropped fat, gained some muscle, lost weight but gained size. It's all good baby!! :cool: :cool: :cool:
 
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I've just had my BF and measurements done again, and I've dropped over 1.5%BF, chest, shoulder and arm measurements have increased, waist has gone down almost an inch (just touching 36"), and I've dropped 1kg. So I'm doing something right. My strength is back up too. So I've dropped fat, gained some muscle, lost weight but gained size. It's all good baby!! :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Probably just lucky I think? Haha!

well done mate, not easy to do it all at the same time!
 
cavonia said:
Just that people harp on that everyone can get big and put on lots of muscle but that is not quite true. Not 'everyone' can. Fact.
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Sorry chum, but that's rubbish :p

Your genetics do affect your ability to put on muscle obviously, but the variation between individuals of the ability to do so is going to be relatively negligible. Some people might be able to do so faster than others, but it's hardly as if 'being less able at putting on muscle' has ever been or would ever be selected for!

Secondly, so what? It makes no difference if people are fundamentally more able than you to do something - you have to work with what you've got. It's almost like saying 'oh I have rubbish thinning hair therefore I can't get any girls into bed'. Just wear a hat, jeez :p
 
Makunouchi said:
How much of a big deal is it to do squats and deadlifts on a slightly uneven surface? Lets say one foot is 2-3cm below the other at shoulder width.
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It's going to affect your R.O.M for each leg and also put some extra stress/twist on your core I would imagine. Your hips are going to be at different levels too. I don't think it's advisable.

Can you not fill this gap by putting a plate on the floor and using that as a base for the lower foot?

What are you squatting on?
 
BennyC said:
It's going to affect your R.O.M for each leg and also put some extra stress/twist on your core I would imagine. Your hips are going to be at different levels too. I don't think it's advisable.

Can you not fill this gap by putting a plate on the floor and using that as a base for the lower foot?

What are you squatting on?
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I can squat pretty much on the level but for deadlifts I'm on a slight slope, unfortunately the patio out the back of our house where I work out has a slope to allow water to drain off. I think there's probably only about 1-2 cm difference between the level of my feet though, surely it can't make that much of a difference? It doesn't feel like it's a problem when I'm lifting, and I alternate the direction I'm facing between sets to even up whatever uneven loading there is.
 
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