Soldato
Oh dear :/
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Caporegime
.....Meh
Genetics help, but it isn't the be all and end all. If you aren't improving in size over a years training, you need to change your training style to shock your body.
Different things work for different people
Genetics help, but it isn't the be all and end all. If you aren't improving in size over a years training, you need to change your training style to shock your body.
Different things work for different people
Man of Honour
That's quite plainly rubbish. Sure genetics will help develop more/less, but irrespective of that if you train well, eat well, you will develop no matter what. Sure you won't necessarily be a mass monster, or get amazingly good looking abs or muscles necessarily, but you WILL grow, you WILL develop muscle - it's just basic human biology. Don't listen to that crap. It takes YEARS - if you're giving up because it's not happening over night then you need to calm down, take a breath and keep at it. Else, just do it to keep fit. Look at the people on here, all shapes and sizes, and they have all changed over the years. IT's possible to achieve, you just have to work at it.
Caporegime
Indeed ^^^
I'm still new to this game (only been training for 3 years, and thats on and off) so i'm still learning what my body NEEDS to improve. The problem boils down to when people don't see results RIGHT NOW, then give up and go 'ugh genetics' or end up going to the dark side.
Myself, if I don't see any changes come March (I mean any changes) then I'll move things around again, and look at my calorie intake.
I'm still new to this game (only been training for 3 years, and thats on and off) so i'm still learning what my body NEEDS to improve. The problem boils down to when people don't see results RIGHT NOW, then give up and go 'ugh genetics' or end up going to the dark side.
Myself, if I don't see any changes come March (I mean any changes) then I'll move things around again, and look at my calorie intake.
Soldato
lol. Any person who goes to the gym and doesn't make progress in 5 years is doing something hugely wrong, nothing to do with 'genetics'
Caporegime
Many people are ignorant just what is needed to grow in the gym, they eat what they consider to be enough and train plenty. What they don't do is keep a close eye on how they are responding to their training/diet - I've fallen into this trap before. If they did pay attention they may spot that what they are doing isn't working. I use scales to keep track of things, I can see my weight steadily increase over the weeks so I know it's working. If I didn't gain weight in many weeks I would increase my calories or change my training until I saw change again.
Man of Honour
At the same time LiE, a lot of people would look at the scales, see their weight is increasing and assume it's all good, when in reality, they are gaining 99% fat from eating far too much and doing far too little in the gym
Soldato
Got to be a mix between scales, mirror, and pinching the fat on your stomach 
Caporegime
True, I mainly use scales because I can't see change in my body when I look in the mirror. It's easier for me to see if I'm gaining too much fat as I'm starting with a leaner base.
Not sure if this video has been posted before. This guys flexibility is mad.
http://youtu.be/j_ki721pSso
http://youtu.be/j_ki721pSso
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Soldato
You don't need to be particularly flexible to ATG squat like that, just a lot of strength. There's no reason why any of us can't get ATG like that, it's completely natural.
Caporegime
Agree. I''m a competent squatter but I've never been able to squat ATG without my tailbone tucking in which can be dangerous.
Soldato
Maybe I'm on my own here then, I guess training by myself at home doesn't give me a window into what the majority of peoples' form is like.
How about if you guys squat ATG with no bar, do you still get the lower back rounding/bum tuck?
I should have added the proviso that this is with a very wide stance, I imagine it'd be somewhat more difficult with narrower footing.
How about if you guys squat ATG with no bar, do you still get the lower back rounding/bum tuck?
I should have added the proviso that this is with a very wide stance, I imagine it'd be somewhat more difficult with narrower footing.
Caporegime
Yep. I believe it's a flexibility issue with the hips although I could be wrong.
Yep I think it's all to do with hips. Since doing lots of stretches Icecold has shown, my squats have improved massively. I really feel the strain in my abs and hips where I tended to load my back up before.
Mansize_tissue in the video he has a pretty narrow stance. That's why I thought it was impressive. You are talking about more of a powerlifting stance?
Mansize_tissue in the video he has a pretty narrow stance. That's why I thought it was impressive. You are talking about more of a powerlifting stance?
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Soldato
Same here. I stopped doing ATG when I was watching my form very carefully in the mirrors. My tailbone starts tucking in once I go about 2 inch below parallel, this was leading to lower back pain for me. So now I just go 1 inch below with my back perfectly straight, just not worth the risk... or the pain!
I am now going to work on my flexibility more and see if I can work on this.
Caporegime
How long before you're back on HST?
Soldato
Yes looking back he does have a rather narrow stance, that does make it somewhat more impressive I must say! I adopt what most would consider a PL stance yeah, wouldn't dream of going any narrower now.
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