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Delvis, why not do what you can, see what causes pain and then leave that exercise?

Just go fairly light.

Really struggling with squat form as a beginner. I can't seem to do it even with an empty bar without arching my back, which I'm told is not good.

I'm starting to think it might be worth cutting it out of my routine altogether in favour of an alternative exercise. What do you guys think?

I think bodyweight squats are what you need.

If you are able to post a vid then people can advise you on how to improve.
 
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Really struggling with squat form as a beginner. I can't seem to do it even with an empty bar without arching my back, which I'm told is not good.

I'm starting to think it might be worth cutting it out of my routine altogether in favour of an alternative exercise. What do you guys think?

A Guide To Better Squatting

The set up and movement


Before we start, make sure that your footwear is correct. You either need shoes with a hard flat sole, or you need to go barefoot. If you have lifting shoes then fine, but do not squat in trainers.

1) Fix your feet at around 10 degrees of turn out.

2) Have your feet just wider than shoulder width apart.

3) Ensure the bar is in a stable position, it shouldn't be rolling up or down your back.

4) To initiate the movement, brace your core, break at the hip and begin sitting back. Focus on getting your knees out as soon as they start to bend, the wider the better. This should be a conscious effort for the entire rep.

5) Aim to sink your hip crease below your knee.

6) Be active and have good tension in your core and glutes. This should make your lower back stiffer and reduce rounding. Active glutes (particularly glute medius, on the side) both facilitates a better hip/femur (and by extension knees out) relationship thus reducing lower back rounding by creating more "space" to descend into, and also makes for a stronger squat. Make sure your lock out fully and bring your hips through.

7) Try to maintain your "chest up" position, your spine shouldn't be undergoing any flexion or extension throughout the lift. Engage your lats hard and pull the bar onto your back.

8) The weight should not be on your toes. You should be driving through your heals while gripping with your feet and trying to spread the floor.


Problem solving

Some of those things will either be difficult to achieve or will make things look or feel worse at first, so here's what you need to do for each step:

1) Easy to actually do, but will probably cause problems. Your knees need to travel radially out from midline, and if you're missing healthy range in your ankle the only place your shins (and therefore knees) can go is inside the plane set by your heal/big toe, collapsing the foot. In general, you should test this and see how your feet/ankles behave and ensure that, while your feet stay parallel and active and flat (in terms of weight distribution), your knees can go diagonally out at around 40 degrees as far forwards as the line of your big toe.

DO NOT PUT ANYTHING UNDER YOUR HEELS TO COMPENSATE.

To fix any limitations, work through this stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBt5F2mMUtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkepajNHiDw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLj_VkfQzJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKewdExgRh4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gwgm3s2EQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFlfgCqpK8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMQL7_HNV_Y

2) Just do it

3) http://stronglifts.com/squat-bar-position/

4) Now that we’ve fixed point 1 (right?!), any problems here should be down to tight medial hamstrings/adductors and poor medial glute activation.

To fix tightness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBHzXF-mVjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3FZhTwubn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OrCVT9N9kM

[FONT=&quot]Other problems, such as a tight TFL, should be tackled by the mobilisations later on. [/FONT]We’ll fix glutes next...

5) Problems here will probably result in the pelvis tilting under at the bottom, which puts the lower back at risk of injury. This should now be a function of hamstring/glute length and hip orientation.
Hammies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdPfxLXm55Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rj5YOleets

Hip flexors/quads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EiUquYdyPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxhyEDDzQ20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUKhljDYOZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4nWPeyDfNM – bit of glutes too

Glutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWfnAUsYUTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoXIIVywwic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY31J5BeKrg

6) Make sure that you’re doing your core exercises, and work through some basic glute activation exercises. A lot of this can be solved by just being more conscious of driving the hips through at the top.

Glute activation:
Start with basic glute bridges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qC-PxNcNlI, abs tight and toes up – minimise hamstring involvement) , progressing to uni-laterial movement by hooking one foot over the opposite knee and adding weights held on the lower abs. You can then incorporate pull throughs, and clams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTIFLKEjypY)

7) This is probably a matter of just doing it, but many of you will also have stiff thoracic spines.
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/07/episode-294365-shoulder-what-to-fix-first-and-wii-mob.html
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/09/free-your-scap-free-your-mind.html
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/03/episode-209365-free-your-ribs-your-mind-will-follow.html

IMPORTANT POINT: When working on your thoracic spine, what will often happen is that your lumbar (lower back) or cervical (neck) spine will flex/extend to compensate for a stiff t-spine. Do not let this happen, as this neutralises the effect on your t-spine. For example, when foam rolling your t-spine, don't let your lumbar region extend, keep your belly tight and your glutes switched on. This also means the bottom of your ribs shouldn’t be sticking up as you extend over the roller, and you should make sure that your neck is in line with the rest of your spine (i.e. not looking way over head).

8) See point one for ankle range of motion problems.

This is also a good video series (apart from the stuff about looking up): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkF9QD7oCIA&feature=BFa&list=PL0FCC7D1D4A896FF5&lf=results_main
 
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Yeah I read all that when I was pointed to it last time I asked.

I know what I need to do when I'm stood at the rack with the weight on my shoulders, but when I dip with the weight I lose control of my lower back and it arches. It's not a case of the weight as I'm only lifting 40kg and it seems easy. Like I say, I can't even do it without arching when it's an empty bar, so it's definitely a form issue.

I just don't want to carry on this way and end up knackering my back.
 
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Yeah I read all that when I was pointed to it last time I asked.

I know what I need to do when I'm stood at the rack with the weight on my shoulders, but when I dip with the weight I lose control of my lower back and it arches. It's not a case of the weight as I'm only lifting 40kg and it seems easy. Like I say, I can't even do it without arching when it's an empty bar, so it's definitely a form issue.

I just don't want to carry on this way and end up knackering my back.

As LiE said, see if you can get a video up. It will help a lot :)
 
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Yeah I read all that when I was pointed to it last time I asked.

I know what I need to do when I'm stood at the rack with the weight on my shoulders, but when I dip with the weight I lose control of my lower back and it arches. It's not a case of the weight as I'm only lifting 40kg and it seems easy. Like I say, I can't even do it without arching when it's an empty bar, so it's definitely a form issue.

I just don't want to carry on this way and end up knackering my back.

You obviously haven't read that post then have you :rolleyes:
 
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not wanting to sound harsh, but could this just be a low pain thresh hold thing? or you just being very over cautious? from what you have told us that your physio has said, there is no obvious or apparent injury.
trust me i had many a back session when i thought i had over done it, however it turned out to be doms, and maybe slight over exercsion, however as i have got stronger, and my form has improved, these have reduced.

Your in the right frame of mind about getting back in the gym, just do as many have said and avoid the obvious big back lifts, also dont hold your movements to long.

The leg mobility especially any hamstring work will be helpful to your lower back as a by-product of the benefits to your hamstrings. Also, again please correct me if i am wrong, but there are not really such things as specific lower back stretchs to do.

light lower back exercises, mobility, and core exerises.

Hell, why dont you start back on your 3 day split on chest day then do legs and shoulders then hit your back last to get you back in to the swing of things before you specifically target your back!

I actually have a reasonably high pain threshold actually, depends where the pain is :p

And yeah, doms don't last a month or two :D As said, it just felt 'pumped' during the session, uncomfortably pumped, since then it's not changed really with the pain, goes every so often and varies day to day.

But yes, there are no specific lower back stretches as such, as you noted it's mainly hamstrings that help and this is what the physio has gotten me doing along with some other stretches which seem to be helping :)

Just going to do some light work this week, and see how I feel in the morning I guess! Bulgarian split squats for me tonight! :p
 
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Yeah buddy! You are going to be in pain tomorrow :).

Aye pretty much :p

I did them the other night at BW just to get the motion and feel for them...Going to hurt a bit I think with some added weight

Probably going to pass out what with this cold lingering, but hey ho! Said I'll start this week and so I shall!
 
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Get a video! :D

After being advised to do the following I came out as follows



45 minute session
Rowing for 5 minutes
Decline bench 40kg 8x4
Incline bench 30kg 8x4
Incline flys 8kg 8x4 - I was very tired and shaky at this point
Bench 30kg 8x4 - Only did 6 on last set as I had no spotter and was very shaky, felt like I could lift more but just fatigued even though I had the longest rest here between sets
Straight arm chest pullover - 8kg 8x1 > 10kg 8x3 - Felt weird on the, might try arching my back next time as I seemed to have limited range and more pressure on shoulders?
Torso Extension 45kg 8x1 > 55kg 8x3

Overall it felt like a good workout!

How does the above look considering its day 2 at the gym?
I take it incline/decline/flat bench does different parts of your chest correct?

Looks good for your second day at the gym! What's your current stats, height, weight, body type etc?

Yes, Well I am sure they work the whole chest but incline more the upper, decline the lower part, fly's also work the upper chest, I think the part where it joins up to the shoulder.
How far were you going back on the pullovers? same as the videos? I think you should feel pressure on the shoulders but not if it is uncomfortable.

The only thing I would change is doing first after doing your rowing warm up, the bench press should be your main workout and you want to put all your strength and effort into it, then onto decline/incline, flys and pullovers.

This is all my views of course, you will eventually find your own routine and way of doing things, I read plenty of forums like these and got advice from others at the gym and just put something together that works for me.

I personally work out muscle groups on my days at the gym, Chest/Triceps - Shoulders - Back/Biceps - Legs, and usually doing some Abs work into all of those, but all depends on how busy your gym is etc how long you have there, I usually have a few hours to waste every evening so I am not restricted to a quick workout.
 
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