The 3 best players in the world... your thoughts?

Weebull said:
Cesc got way more assists for Arsenal because we based our entire system around him. Barcelona don't really base it on any one player, but if they do bias it towards anyone, it's Messi, not Xavi or Iniesta.

I think Fabregas is a brilliant player, but to say he's better than Xavi/Iniesta because he got more assists last year is like saying Manuel Almunia is a better player than Messi because he made more saves last season. :confused:
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I didn't say that, Xavi has, in his best season probably around 40% more assists than Fabregas has ever achieved in one season. Xavi isn't and hasn't been as good as that season for 3 years, he also scored more goals, and yes, the team is based around Xavi more than any other player in the team. Also Xavi's passes have had in recent seasons, Eto'o, Ibra, villa, Pedro, Messi, Iniesta, finishing off chances he's made, for Arsenal Fabregas has had..... RVP, sure, but also Chamakh, Nasri, Theo, Rosicky, Eboue, Bendtner, Diaby, to finish off the chances he makes.

Most importantly ahead of assists and goals is that Fabregas has created more chances than anyone else in Europe, I think every single season for 4-5 years. But for better quality players around him, and even RVP who I think is great, misses a load of chances, Fabregas would simply have gotten a crapload more assists, which would only have appeared to further the gap between them.

Fabregas also, rather quietly and with little credit, does an incredibly amount of defensive work for Arsenal, spending many many games(far less last season with Wilshire behind him) dropping to be the deepest central midfielder in the past 3-4 seasons, probably more so than Xavi has to, and his work rate is insane, he gets back and forward constantly and for a guy who isn't very fast, strong or tall he wins far more tackles, dribbles past and holds off more people than most his size would.

Assists/scoring is merely one measure of why he's better, not the REASON he's better. He gets more assists and goals because he's a better player, his movement is outstanding and rarely recognised at Arsenal. Think about it, he's basically being played in Villa's normal role at the moment, and watching the game, he does exactly as Villa/Messi does, runs in behind brilliantly, great time runs, hiding behind defenders and running in behind them, drifting away from markers, making runs all games waiting for passes. These are things he basically never even got to show for Arsenal but has always been capable of, being basically an out and out striker is something he never, ever did at Arsenal yet he's been superb, world class in a position he hasn't even played for the past 8 years at Arsenal....... thats just how good and versatile he is.

A couple of his goals have been simply superb control and strikes, others are ends of great moves where he gets a poachers goal like Villa would get merely because his great movement see's him in the right place. In the past 4-5 games he's looked every bit like Villa at his very best...... how many central midfielders can move so easily into such a role and look so god damned good, without playing the position for over 8 years, while also having been world class as a central midfielder, while getting the assists to win both the world and Euro cups.


As for Rooney's passing, as I said, I was repeating what lots of Utd fans were saying throughout the Bolton game, of whom several were saying how utterly crap he'd been before he scored, as per usual scoring goals makes people forget about the overall performance. LIkewise a great pass, of which he made several doesn't wipe all the poor passes out of existance.

Ronaldo and Messi are simply so far ahead of Rooney in all aspects of their game, Rooney is turning into a great goal scorer, but has only had one "prolific" season. Ronaldo's pass for the 3rd(iirc) goal at the weekend was perfect, as were many many of his passes that game, Messi is the same, though was actually quite poor this particular weekend.
 
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1.Messi
2.Iniesta
3.Rooney

Ronaldo isn't in this purely because he's not a big game player he goes missing when it really matters and it's time to perform, but he's always on hand to score 3-4 goals against some relegation team.
 
drunkenmaster said:
As for Rooney's passing, as I said, I was repeating what lots of Utd fans were saying throughout the Bolton game, of whom several were saying how utterly crap he'd been before he scored
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You really shouldn't quote United fans on this forum, some (not all) know **** all about football. Rooney's passing at times is sublime, it's not always bang on the money but comparing his passing with Fabregas (for example) is about as pointless as comparing the two's goal scoring
 
lucarocks92 said:
1.Messi
2.Iniesta
3.Rooney

Ronaldo isn't in this purely because he's not a big game player he goes missing when it really matters and it's time to perform, but he's always on hand to score 3-4 goals against some relegation team.
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Yeah I guess he didn't score in the semi-final and final of the champions league.

Stop speaking now.
 
1. Messi

That's all that's sure and really all that matters. The top 5 are made up of Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldo and whichever other star you like, probably Fabregas for me, but imo he will have established this after this season, he's going to get 30 goals from midfield (or false 9!) and shock everybody
 
drunkenmaster said:
I didn't say that, [promptly carries on waffling about assist stats as though they're all that matters]
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Um, ok.

drunkenmaster said:
Assists/scoring is merely one measure of why he's better, not the REASON he's better.
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Yes, and it's a poor measure, as I've explained.

But of course, it's the easiest way to win points on an internet forum.
 
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Robi said:
Yeah I guess he didn't score in the semi-final and final of the champions league.

Stop speaking now.
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he scored a free header in the final essien didn't even jump with him. in the semi final against barcelona he scored a penalty and ye he had 1 good game against barcelona in the copa del ray. just cos he scores 1 goal in a game doesn't mean he played well zidane scored 2 headers from corners in the WC final in 98 and he went missing for the whole game barely done anything in that match except be in the right place at the right time, if u look at messi he is always creating havoc for the opposition in the 5-0 win against real madrid he didn't score 1 single goal and he got man of the match. scoring goals isn't everything u know u need to play well and play for ur team. FYI that was one of the only time he played well against a big team against barca in the copa del ray out of all the big matches he's played in, against ac milan last year for both legs he done nothing in both matches at all.
 
lucarocks92 said:
did u see the free kick? it was probably one of the worst free kicks i've seen scored, it's not like it was a good free kick in any way.
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So he scores in the Champions League final but that doesn't mean anything as it was a free header

He scores against AC Milan but that doesn't mean anything as it was a crap free kick

He scores in the Spanish Cup final but that doesn't mean anything as it was only 1 good game

Seriously are you for real? :o
 
Tom84 said:
So he scores in the Champions League final but that doesn't mean anything as it was a free header

He scores against AC Milan but that doesn't mean anything as it was a crap free kick

He scores in the Spanish Cup final but that doesn't mean anything as it was only 1 good game

Seriously are you for real? :o
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u know in the final ronaldo went missing he scored 1 free header, and the rest of the match u didn't see him at all he had a really poor game, like i said 1 goal doesn't mean u played great or had a good game he was a winger and his whole contribution in the biggest match of his career in the CL final was very poor. this is my opinion on ronaldo u dont have to agree with it, i personally think he's highly over rated he rarely steps up on the big occasions, and ye he had a good game against barca in the copa del ray but why dont u look at the other 4 games he played against barca that same year and see how well he played he scored a penalty against them in the semi-final and that was all he did. and yes that was a terrible free kick against ac milan but ok fair enough he scored it, what else did he do in both of those 2 games against ac milan he really done nothing except pretend he was boxed in the face and clutching his face like a little baby.
 
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