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The AMD Driver Thread

5t3v0 said:
Glad ye both ken :D

Anyway enough banter, back to this Chill p1sh. Second impressions are less favourable now I've used it bit more. With the max set to 75, normal play on Borderlands would see fps peak at only around 65. Only moving my mouse frantically would get it to go to 75. So I have now set the max to 85 which trends around the 75 mark but will occasionally go above meaning enhanced sync will kick in. Not the end of the world I dont suppose but not the hard cap I was looking for. Any alternative solutions for this?
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Thanks for experimenting then sharing. I heard BL is not well optimised for many things so another game would help contrast the shenanigans.

Think I might install the latest driver just to stab at it tomorrow.
 
Steampunk said:
Have you tried setting both the min and max to 75?
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So yes this works but it negates a lot of the power saving benefit that Chill gives you. I took average HWINFO measurements over a 1 min period on the BL3 menu screen (no mouse movement) using the Chill 48-75 min-max, 75-75 min-max and with Chill off. The results predictably show higher power, temperature and fan rpm as the fps cap is raised.

Chill......FPS....GPU...Temp...Power....Fan
48/75.....48.....971...57.3........81....674
75/75.....75...1584...72.6......178...1672
Off.........95...1554....78.5......206...1928

Fixing at 75 is more power efficient than turning Chill off in this title (by 14%) but setting the minimum to 48 does yield a very significant power saving (61%) in an idle game although this difference would be much less when actually playing I expect. I did note that when idling on the 48 fps minimum, the power, temp and fan fluctuate widely 75-182W, 55-66C, and 0-1342 RPM which is a bit odd and means the fan noise is intermittently audible.

Not sure which option I'm going to use now. The power saving is quite attractive but fixing at 75 seems like it would be smoother. Will just have to play on both to find what feels best I guess
 
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Does amd clean up tool or clean drivers options take into account the newer versions of win 10 like are they compatible with latest 1909 version or not as it would explain maybe why ddu is more popular as they update and state compatible with x version of win 10 but not newer and you have to wait till ddu updates if a new one comes out etc. Just wondering if thats why the issues lately with amd drivers is that there clean up options maybe arnt being cleaned properly as maybe it only worked with older win 10 versions and not 1909 versions yet compared to ddu which is.
 
Sadly when Windows interferes and changes stuff the vendors have to follow up so it is delayed yes. It doesnt surprise me as I recall in the first year of having W10, when I had set stuff to disabled, off etc; after a patch the damn stuff had reverted back on. It may have improved but I would never trust m$ and if your having issues checking all the usual settings would have to be done as a sweep in case.
 
Steampunk said:
Have you tried setting both the min and max to 75?
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So to close this one off, I've tried different Chill ranges while farming legendaries from Katagawa this weekend and the results (using the AMD metrics overlay and logging) are quite interesting:

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Basically with normal playing mouse movement, Chill seems to be targeting average FPS to the middle of the range rather than the top which is great if your objective is to save power but cr*p if you want to maximise your FPS to your monitor refresh limit. You've really got to move the mouse in an unplayable frenzy to get near the top of the range which is useless. Chill really needs to have a setting to adjust its sensitivity to mouse movement IMO. As it stands for me, setting the max and min to 75 is a no brainer going on these results.
 
SkeeterUK said:
If using freesync its probably better to target 73 fps than 75.
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I've seen this advised a lot but wondered if actually based on evidence or just someone's distant assumptions now perpetuating the forums as fact. I tried a quick test with the BL3 benchmark before work and got the following results:

Chill Range...Avg FPS...>75 FPS
73-73..........72.66.......31%
75-75..........74.01.......47%
77-77..........75.41.......60%

So at 73 FPS there are still 31% of frames being rendered over the Freesync range and thus presumably being processed by the less efficient Enhanced Sync. Granted it's better than 47% over at 75 FPS but still too many IMO. Essentially Chill is targeting an average framerate and not a frame limiter which is contrary to AMD's claims on it's brochure page: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-software-chill. Based on my weekend's testing, 48-85 seems to be the sweet spot for me on BL3 if wanting to avoid exceeding the 75 FPS ceiling. TBH though, I would just prefer to have the functionality to cap the game at 75 FPS, that's not too much to ask for is it AMD?

Edit: I'm dubious about these results which were produced by the BL3 benchmark tool. They dont tally with what's showed on the in-game fps counter. Radeon performance metrics which are logged from the driver UI give very different results with much fewer frames exceeding the upper limit - see later post on page 914
 
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Th0nt said:
Very interesting. Is this with the new driver 20.x @5t3v0 ?
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Yeah 20.1.4. It's a bit flaky with BL3 TBH, causing it to generate a crash report about 1 in 5 times when quitting the game. As an ardent min-maxer, I like the metrics stuff but that's flaky too as the FPS counter is temperamental and doesnt always show. I dislike the sliders for setting things like Chill limits and would like to see combined with a text box. But overall, it's growing on me
 
So I was testing chill the other day, didn't really like it as it made games frame rate juddery. Prefer just setting a cap with RTSS since FRTC is gone.
Now it keeps turning itself back on whenever I launch a game, I get the 3 beeping noise and I have to tab out, open settings and disable it every time I launch a game.
Anyone else have this issue or will I have to wipe drivers and reinstall, didn't want to really as it's annoying doing all the settings again
 
greatash said:
So I was testing chill the other day, didn't really like it as it made games frame rate juddery. Prefer just setting a cap with RTSS since FRTC is gone.
Now it keeps turning itself back on whenever I launch a game, I get the 3 beeping noise and I have to tab out, open settings and disable it every time I launch a game.
Anyone else have this issue or will I have to wipe drivers and reinstall, didn't want to really as it's annoying doing all the settings again
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Have you set in global graphics which is overriding the game setting? What are the 3 beeps for? I dont have a motherboard speaker so dont get any beeps. If just replacing the same driver you could first try a reinstall without a wipe to preserve the settings. I'm sure I will get shot down in flames for suggesting such a thing :D

How do you find RTSS? I was hoping to avoid using 3rd party apps but now I have seen the potential for frame limiting on my power and temps I'm keen find a way to optimise my fps at the top of my freesync range. Chill just isnt cutting the mustard
 
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Is vsync (not ideal but..) on in bl3 not any good cos that would cap it to 75 for now till something else comes along that or use a 3rd party tool tho i dont think u want to u said? Might have been suggested i dunno but if you getting too many frames above 75 and want it under you could try upscaling vsr at 4k or something? That would work the gpu more and lower fps down and might look nicer. I did that in bl2 as that game is easy to play in 4k on my vega 56 on my 32in aoc 1440p screen 75hz freesync monitor.
 
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Is vsync (not ideal but..) on in bl3 not any good cos that would cap it to 75 for now till something else comes along that or use a 3rd party tool tho i dont think u want to u said? Might have been suggested i dunno but if you getting too many frames above 75 and want it under you could try upscaling vsr at 4k or something? That would work the gpu more and lower fps down and might look nicer. I did that in bl2 as that game is easy to play in 4k on my vega 56 on my 32in aoc 1440p screen 75hz freesync monitor.
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That's also worthy of trying out thanks. I didn't have this challenge before I lowered the fog and reflections to medium as was averaging 60 fps with them at high. I could just crank them back up but then it's just working the gpu harder for no perceptible visual benefit. In all honesty, when the game runs above the refresh rate I dont really notice any difference in playability so looks like enhanced sync is doing a reasonable job.

Sounds like we have similar gpu and monitor setups. I've got the 56 Pulse with the AOC Q3279VWFD8 panel
 
Same exact card and monitor lol. Got it with a 3570k at 4.4 tho ive gone to 4.2 as in one game it was making the cpu get warm at 70c.

Tell me, do you have issues with 2020 drivers at all? And how is freesync for you as i hear fs suppose to be buttery smooth if in the limits but it doesnt feel like that to me i might not get tearing per say but it doesnt feel smooth when rotating a character around and watching media like anime on chrome doesnt feel nice to watch on fast moving scenes. I use cru to expand the fs range from 48-75 to 40-75, i did use 38 for awhile but bumped it up to be a bit safer.
 
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