The AMD Navi Thread

shankly1985 · 14 Jun 2019 at 01:12

xxalxx said:
So (avoiding all the DLSS/RIS talk above), if you were looking at getting a new card in the coming months (around 2070-2080 price range - not 2080ti) would the advice be to get one, get the equivalent Navi AMD or wait for a few months and see what else is getting released?

I have a rx580 atm, cant get Vega 56/64 as they just aren't available here.

Hard to really say right now without not seeing what Navi 10 can really do. They might be some headroom to play with on this GPU when used with say a better cooler or overclocking. But as of right now if the price isn't an issue it all comes down to what AMD or Nvidia offer you right now the best buy that GPU.
Either way am sure you won't be disappointed either choice you make.

Me personally RTX 2070 or Navi 5700 XT I would pick Navi for reasons I won't get into here.

Poneros · 14 Jun 2019 at 06:00

I think what happened is AMD realised they can't catch up to Nvidia anymore and won't manage to claw back market share, so at least they put the prices up so they make some kind of money on each GPU sale rather than selling for a loss like Vega (and still not getting market share). Then the focus is all in on semi-custom contracts, and hopefully once they get more revenue & experience from those, they will catch up in 5-10 years and compete again. Until then, on desktop, it's going to be an RTX world.

Grim5 · 14 Jun 2019 at 06:14

^^

That is such a crap slide.

If I was upgrading and I saw that slide I would just keep what I had.

New cpu, mobo and gpu for 9% performance boost in tomb raider.

Ohh yeah...

Edit: chances are you need new ram too - AMD says you need ddr4 3600 for ryzen 3000 and if you have a 6700k you probably have slower ram than that to begin with

Calin Banc · 14 Jun 2019 at 06:40

CuriousTomCat said:
Oh okay so AMD just needs to make a product that's faster than the 2080 ti and sell it. Somebody needs to tweet your advice to Lisa Su so she can save the company.

Not really, but launching a 7970 with bad drivers and high prices, is not a good thing.
Launching a R290(x) with bad coolers so that you get the image of hot, loud and throttling cards, is not a good thing.

bigmike20vt · 14 Jun 2019 at 06:55

xxalxx said:
So (avoiding all the DLSS/RIS talk above), if you were looking at getting a new card in the coming months (around 2070-2080 price range - not 2080ti) would the advice be to get one, get the equivalent Navi AMD or wait for a few months and see what else is getting released?

I have a rx580 atm, cant get Vega 56/64 as they just aren't available here.

From what I have seen so far I would be looking at a super RTX 2070 or super RTX 2080 I think (or a non super RTX 2080 once price is cut)
Maybe the full fat Navi will be good if it supports raytracing but right now to me it looks like Navi will be charging rtx card prices with rtx card performance but without rtx
Once real world unbiased benchmarks come out we will know more.
Someone did say that AMDs lag reducing features will be as important a feature as RTX and DLSS..... Well not for me personally.

Brazo · 14 Jun 2019 at 07:44

Poneros said:
I think what happened is AMD realised they can't catch up to Nvidia anymore and won't manage to claw back market share, so at least they put the prices up so they make some kind of money on each GPU sale rather than selling for a loss like Vega (and still not getting market share). Then the focus is all in on semi-custom contracts, and hopefully once they get more revenue & experience from those, they will catch up in 5-10 years and compete again. Until then, on desktop, it's going to be an RTX world.

That is a strange slide comparing an old quad core against AMD latest (I don’t know 8 core?) cpu?

And comparing a 1070 against AMD’s new card that is rumoured to be 2070 performance!

It’s just as well AMD (scraped) a win here!!!!!

aoaaron · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:04

ubersonic said:
Nvidia added support for VRR/Freesync months ago in a driver update.

One of my displays is a 144Hz Freesync and it works the same on my 2080 and my Vega 56.

I said tv. Which requires hdmi.

As far as I’m aware that update months ago only enabled it over display port.

Grim5 · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:09

It's a terrible slide, they need to fire the person who made that and the one who approved it's release.

They are saying - gets rid of your intel setup and go buy a new rx 5700xt, new 3700x, new x570 motherboard and new ddr4 3600mhz ram - and then you can enjoy these games - oh look half of them are well under 20% faster than your old setup that you already own

Illuminist · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:10

Poneros said:
I think what happened is AMD realised they can't catch up to Nvidia anymore and won't manage to claw back market share, so at least they put the prices up so they make some kind of money on each GPU sale rather than selling for a loss like Vega (and still not getting market share). Then the focus is all in on semi-custom contracts, and hopefully once they get more revenue & experience from those, they will catch up in 5-10 years and compete again. Until then, on desktop, it's going to be an RTX world.

That slide is absolutely disgusting ! the 5700xt is supposed to be 1080/2070 performance and the 3700x is supposed to be 8700k levels..so that slide is saying to me, dont buy these amd products because of this slide

Alien isolation! wt hell that game runs on my kids ABC zoo animals push button play toy

Arthur Hucksake · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:21

Getting a new system in the next few months and it looks like it'll be the 9700K. Hope that slide doesn't reflect the reality.

Brazo · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:24

Why didn’t AMD use vega 56/64 on that slide instead of the 1070....

Oh yeah

Illuminist · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:31

Brazo said:
Why didn’t AMD use vega 56/64 on that slide instead of the 1070....

Oh yeah

Maybe AMD are doing that thing when people say they didn't get you a birthday present so you are all disappointed, then later on they got you something amazing.
Boom! 5900 Xtx

Panos · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:31

Brazo said:
Why didn’t AMD use vega 56/64 on that slide instead of the 1070....

Oh yeah

Because you know the slide is real yes?

Poneros said:
I think what happened is AMD realised they can't catch up to Nvidia anymore and won't manage to claw back market share, so at least they put the prices up so they make some kind of money on each GPU sale rather than selling for a loss like Vega (and still not getting market share). Then the focus is all in on semi-custom contracts, and hopefully once they get more revenue & experience from those, they will catch up in 5-10 years and compete again. Until then, on desktop, it's going to be an RTX world.

Where you got this slide from? Anyone can doctor something like that these days, so show us the source from the AMD website please.

Illuminist · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:36

Panos said:
Because you know the slide is real yes?

Where you got this slide from? Anyone can doctor something like that these days, so show us the source from the AMD website please.

I second that

Brazo · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:50

Panos · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:52

Brazo said:
Z

Thank you for your contribution to this discussion...... Begone troll.

Panos · 14 Jun 2019 at 08:58

Illuminist said:
That slide is absolutely disgusting ! the 5700xt is supposed to be 1080/2070 performance and the 3700x is supposed to be 8700k levels..so that slide is saying to me, dont buy these amd products because of this slide

Alien isolation! wt hell that game runs on my kids ABC zoo animals push button play toy

You are gotten for fool. Open the image and see the label around 3700X & 5700XT. The image quality is completely different than the rest of the presentation.
Is fake mate.

Sargatanas2511 · 14 Jun 2019 at 09:02

Panos said:
You are gotten for fool. Open the image and see the label around 3700X & 5700XT. The image quality is completely different than the rest of the presentation.
Is fake mate.

It shows how easily people can be fooled though. If that got out onto the wide interwebs then god knows how many people will take it as gospel and make their mind up based on it.

Illuminist · 14 Jun 2019 at 09:13

Panos said:
You are gotten for fool. Open the image and see the label around 3700X & 5700XT. The image quality is completely different than the rest of the presentation.
Is fake mate.

So i asked also with another forum member to confirm its authenticity and then you decide its fake, I dont think you realised that ~~when you posted it did you~~ im an idiot? ~~Judging by your comments underneath you were also fooled, or you are the one that doctored it, either way, really underhand and nasty of you mate.~~ I'm a sleepy idiot with 2 hours sleep

Panos · 14 Jun 2019 at 09:15

Illuminist said:
So i asked also with another forum member to confirm its authenticity and then you decide its fake, I dont think you realised that when you posted it did you? Judging by your comments underneath you were also fooled, or you are the one that doctored it, either way, really underhand and nasty of you mate.

You asked forum members for an image from twitter, without source, which clearly looks is fake on 3 places. And if remember correctly that's from the Ryzen 1700X or 1600X presentation 2 years ago.
When AMD using GTX1070 to show the CPU performance different. I will find the original slide trust me.

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