I do to be perfectly honest, i also think the AMD card is overpriced. As AMD are always playing catch up, i do see Nvidia as the company who set the Pricing structure. If the 2070 was currently £300, i would fully expect AMD to be selling the X5700xt at the same price. I guess with AMD joining at that pricing level, if Nvidia did lower prices of the equivalent cards, AMD could match them prices without taking as much of a hit, but who am i to speculate?
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** The AMD Navi Thread **
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I do to be perfectly honest, i also think the AMD card is overpriced. As AMD are always playing catch up, i do see Nvidia as the company who set the Pricing structure. If the 2070 was currently £300, i would fully expect AMD to be selling the X5700xt at the same price. I guess with AMD joining at that pricing level, if Nvidia did lower prices of the equivalent cards, AMD could match them prices without taking as much of a hit, but who am i to speculate?
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If its a little cheaper and a little faster , surely you win the sales?
No ones asking for charity just competition, i.e undercutting prices is the usual tactic, but this isn't happening here with gpu's
Its like AMD are working for nvidia
No ones asking for charity just competition, i.e undercutting prices is the usual tactic, but this isn't happening here with gpu's
Its like AMD are working for nvidia
Soldato
Hang on, was the question "ultra settings" in games or "Ultra" as a product name?
If the former then Doom 3's "ultra" settings was the first I saw. If the latter then I owned a 5700 Ultra before I upgraded.
Monday hurts my brain.
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The former then.
AMD have tried with the cheaper/faster cards. I still think a very high percentage of Hardware buyers choose Nvidia.
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IMO just because one company sets a high price it doesn't mean the other company should follow suit.
I think most enthusiasts are disappointed that AMD have gone this route as they were hoping some normality would be brought back into the market with the release of Navi and that they could get gpu offering performance back at the price level it should be.
Soldato
It doesn't matter to us what process it's on does it. What matters more is the end TDP and this card is definitely a positive step. I couldn't care less if it was 28nm again if it has the performance they say it does and draws 180W then what does it matter what node it's on? Also remember each company determines "TDP" differently so we will need to wait and see reviews for actual comparable power draw.
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Yep. AMD are becoming the new Intel/Nvidia. As a business I do not blame them as they need the money. But also it results in me not having any sympathy for them. Was thinking of going for an all AMD system, but now I will only get zen 2 as at least that genuinely does offer better price for performance compared to Intel, though I was disappointed in the pricing of that also if I am being honest.
I don’t disagree with you and whilst AMD are known to you and I they aren’t the household name that Nvidia is amongst gamers. Whether or not RTX is useful (we both know the answer) average joe just sees the marketing. At best this will be seen as a parity product at worst marketing will easily influence your average joe. As for TDP it might be AMD’s best but it’s not better than Nvidia old products. Again I’m really not trying to be difficult just trying to show why such a product will be difficult to sell at these prices.
Soldato
I know you're not trying to be difficult and we all have our own opinions, I think most gamers know who AMD are though. They make the big bits of hardware in both main consoles and Ryzen is helping their brand name massively. RTX is pretty pointless below a 2080Ti right now also.
The TDP going by AMD's own information (all we have to go on concrete just now) shows that it's ~10% faster at 20% higher TDP (220W for the 5700XT) which is really not far off the 2070 at all. Whether this actually pans out will be shown in reviews though.
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It's all good, I have serious brain fog from some impending lurgy on top of Mondayitis so I had to go back and re-read because I was questioning myself!My mistake, I read it as the ultra line of graphics cards, sorry mate!
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Don't be fooled, AMD would take their place in a *heartbeat* along with some of their less desirable practices. $$ is King.
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They have some upsides like supporting more open standards but yes I agree overall, pretty much any company would do the same.
Caporegime
People did argue what the effect Titan class cards would have on the midrange and people were people called jealous,etc. Apparently the Titan was a "new type of GPU" even if people argued it was that generations GTX580,etc with a new name. Its all gone swimmingly well don't you think??
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People are still defending this kind of money grubbing, not realising that eventually even whales will be priced out of the market.
These are so called AMD fans, blind to the obvious nature of bussiness and economy, let alone AMD's own product history.
AMD released the Fury at the same RRP bit higher street prices than the 980ti despite being slower.
AMD released the 480 at the same price as the 1060 despite being slower.
AMD released Vega 64 as same price as the 1080 but slower.
Wasn't hard for me to project that AMD would release Navi and not offer any price-performance advantage, despite being nearly a year late and offering less features.
IMO, AMD absolutely should be selling GPUs at the market value, which is what nvidia is exploring. What AMD should also do is release competitive products at the same time frame. If you are a year late then good luck seeing any reasonable sales.
You may not care if you are looking to buy Navi vs Turing today. You should absolutely care if you wonder what GPUs will be like next time you upgrade and what prospects each company have to improve performance. As it stands, Nvidia is about 2 generations ahead of AMD, while AMD's use of a smaller more expensive node has given them effectively 1 generation step up which will vanish in a blionk of the eye when Nvidia move to 7nmm EUV next year. And this came at a huge cost for AMD since they couldn't release their 7nm GPU last year to compete with Nvidia, and they still can't release a large die GPU to compete with 2080 and up (vega 7 is EOL).
Was the 2080 a year late? It offered the same performance as the 1080ti for the same price. Was the 2070 a year late? It offered the same performance as the 1080 for the same price
Soldato
I giggled at the 980ti being slower than the Fury, Especially now.
Soldato
But they're not effectively anything in terms of this current generation. Nvidia made a choice to use the 12nm node and that suits them fine. Right now why does it matter what process each is on?
It's not like saying AMD are less efficient and using 7nm suddenly makes the physical card use more power or be less efficient than it is.