** The AMD Navi Thread **

[subbytna]

£380,LMAO. £360 is bad enough!!



The RX5700 and RX5700XT are overpriced just like almost all the Turing cards. The RX5700 is going to be at least £60 more than an RTX2060,or more like £80 more if we have 1:1 pricing,and the RX5070XT is literally the same price as the overpriced RTX2070,which pushed up the price of the 70 series cards to new highs. $449 will equate to £425 to £450 over here.

Both companies can clear off at that pricing IMHO. We need another competitor as this is becoming a cartel now.

In late 2018,you could get a GTX1080 for as low as £430 to £450,and V64 at launch for £450. This new "gen" is just an excuse in making overpriced card pricing even more mainstream. Best thing is not buy any of them at current pricing otherwise people are justifying what Nvidia did,just because AMD matched it and are "the good guys". Anyone buying a £400+ RX5700XT or RTX2070 has literally validated Nvidia making a product like a RTX2070 at that kind of price. Soon,people shouldn't moan if the RTX3070 and RX6700XT are £500+ cards next year.

What is the RX480 competitor going to be,if the RTX2060 competitor costs £60 to £80 more and is only 10% faster,a card which is GTX1660TI speed for more money?? This is destroying mainsteam gaming now.



That is what AMD said only in 2016,and these metrics were true of last year,looking at what market research companies also said.

So people might as well get a Vega56 now at this rate.

Bottom line is that Nvidia and the very first Titan card, started this whole high pricing fiasco. They pushed out a £1k gpu to see if anyone would bite and the fan boys came flocking to show off their e-peen by having "the best/most expensive" card available. Nvidia seen that they were selling at this price and lo and behold, we're here today with stupid pricing. If nobody had bought the original titan at that price, then today we wouldn't have high prices.

If those with more money than sense would turn 1 dial on the visuals, down 1 notch to get a solid 60fps instead of hitting the "ultra" settings button, then we wouldn't be here again. This "must have max visuals settings enabled to game on" mentality need to stop. The difference from Ultra and High settings is barely noticeable anyway. Yet these GPU manufacturers are playing on the need for fan boys to swing their epeen, to sell at high prices.

 

[Spyhop]

If those with more money than sense would turn 1 dial on the visuals, down 1 notch to get a solid 60fps instead of hitting the "ultra" settings button, then we wouldn't be here again. This "must have max visuals settings enabled to game on" mentality need to stop. The difference from Ultra and High settings is barely noticeable anyway. Yet these GPU manufacturers are playing on the need for fan boys to swing their epeen, to sell at high prices.

Agreed, and did you notice how this "Ultra" word crept in as standardized terminology? It didn't used to be like that. Different games would each define settings levels however they felt like.

 

[HeX]

Ultra was always meant to be 'bleeding edge - probably for a future GPU generation' setting, not a setting that you must use to enjoy the game!

In general Medium was meant to be 'Mainstream', and High for current gen top end.

Was it Crysis that started introducing 'Ultra'?

 

[Grim5]

Ultra was supposed to be for next gen cards - as in nothing you can do now will run it properly.

People bitched and moaned and now Ultra has become what the high end Cards are expected to do.

High has become what the mainstream cards are expected to do.

Medium is what consoles do

Low is what potatoe old laptops do

The problem with all of this is visually Ultra and High are similiar except Ultra can cost up to 50% more to run depending on the game. Because people expect high end cards to run Ultra they now feel entitled, which is why you get people who will pay silly prices because they think if you buy the best you will presented with Ultra all the time And if it doesn’t they will bitch and moan until Ultra is downgraded again.

Most recent example is The latest Metro game where the devs said Ultra is for next gen gpus. But every reviewers tested the game on Ultra and people thought, I better buy a 2080ti or this game won’t even turn on (slight exaggeration) - not knowing that High is the way you’re supposed to play

 

[Poneros]

It's worse than that. Nowadays presets don't even properly offer meaningful differences between each other. You can't fight the stupid, so you gotta give in and lie to it. Mostly there's the console presets they develop for and then PC gets a bunch of idiotic settings levels tacked on which destroy framerate but don't change the visuals much at all if any. In particular Ubisoft & EA are notorious for this, but I saw Bethesda's Rage 2 exemplify this perfectly as well.

Whatever games you see Nixxes or Crytek involved in still properly differentiate as PC titles compared to consoles but it's mostly a wasteland otherwise.

 

[Boomstick777]

Where do you get that pricing information from?
You may regard the present pricing to be 'super', but you imply a significant rise in cost.

Add about 5% - 10% to the current 'over' priced cards. Prob looking at an extra 5% - 10% performance. Basically is exact same launch again but re branded.

I would love if this was not the case. Nvidia need a well priced card like a fat kid needs cake.

 

[Chrisc]

Unfortunately that has proven not to work anymore, too many people only want AMD to be cheaper so that nVidia drop the prices and they can buy cheaper nVidia cards.

That doesn't work for AMD, so they are not going to do it anymore.

This really gets to me. If AMD are competing with the 2070, they are well within their rights to sell it at the same price.

The fact we have people wishing for AMD to be competitive so Intel/Nvidia drop their prices is ridiculous.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Meh, releasing a 2070 an eternity later and charging the same price is hardly something anyone could be pleased with.
Of course they are within their rights to sell at that price, but they're so late. AMD should be embarrassed with that.

 

[LePhuronn]

Was it Crysis that started introducing 'Ultra'?

Doom 3 IIRC, and I bought a 6800 Ultra AGP purely to crank everything to Ultra (because I had no idea what I was doing at the time )

 

[Sargatanas2511]

This really gets to me. If AMD are competing with the 2070, they are well within their rights to sell it at the same price.

The fact we have people wishing for AMD to be competitive so Intel/Nvidia drop their prices is ridiculous.

I agree but honestly people keep saying how AMD should be cheaper than their competition even if what they offer is a little bit better. People were even saying RTX is the difference even though a 2070 isn't powerful enough to even use RTX to any decent standard.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Doom 3 IIRC, and I bought a 6800 Ultra AGP purely to crank everything to Ultra (because I had no idea what I was doing at the time )

The 5800 Ultra was out before that. It was one with a giant cooler at the time to compete with the 9700/9800 cards from ATi. I don't think there was an ultra before that.

 

[D.P.]

This really gets to me. If AMD are competing with the 2070, they are well within their rights to sell it at the same price.

The fact we have people wishing for AMD to be competitive so Intel/Nvidia drop their prices is ridiculous.

Can you quote someone who said AMD have no right to do that?


Quite clearly AMD could charge $1million per card. Whether they actually want to make any sales is a different question.

 

[Brazo]

I agree but honestly people keep saying how AMD should be cheaper than their competition even if what they offer is a little bit better. People were even saying RTX is the difference even though a 2070 isn't powerful enough to even use RTX to any decent standard.

I think one has to ask why would I bother buying something from an ‘unknown’ manufacturer when the product I want already exists and has done for some time.

I could say AMD don’t have RTX and I agree with your thoughts on it but rather have it than not? Also I suspect the new AMD cards won’t be as efficient as Nvidias older node so noise/heat could make it even more disadvantageous hence people wanting a lower price.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I think one has to ask why would I bother buying something from an ‘unknown’ manufacturer when the product I want already exists and has done for some time.

I could say AMD don’t have RTX and I agree with your thoughts on it but rather have it than not? Also I suspect the new AMD cards won’t be as efficient as Nvidias older node so noise/heat could make it even more disadvantageous hence people wanting a lower price.

AMD are far from unknown, having a feature you can't really use and you would still rather have it than not? Why?

Also AMD has stated the TDP already and considering the added power use of GDDR6 over HBM the power usage drop is actually pretty enormous. TDP is very marginally higher than the 2070, it'll be interesting how that translates in real world.

 

[TNA]

AMD are far from unknown, having a feature you can't really use and you would still rather have it than not? Why?

Also AMD has stated the TDP already and considering the added power use of GDDR6 over HBM the power usage drop is actually pretty enormous. TDP is very marginally higher than the 2070, it'll be interesting how that translates in real world.

Did he just call AMD an "unknown manufacturer"? Lol. Jeez.

 

[Darujhistan]

I think one has to ask why would I bother buying something from an ‘unknown’ manufacturer when the product I want already exists and has done for some time.

I could say AMD don’t have RTX and I agree with your thoughts on it but rather have it than not? Also I suspect the new AMD cards won’t be as efficient as Nvidias older node so noise/heat could make it even more disadvantageous hence people wanting a lower price.

 

[Razor Time]

This really gets to me. If AMD are competing with the 2070, they are well within their rights to sell it at the same price.

The fact we have people wishing for AMD to be competitive so Intel/Nvidia drop their prices is ridiculous.

So do you don't think Nvidia are over charging for the 2070 then, considering previous generations were a lot cheaper?

 

[KillBoY_UK]

AMD are far from unknown, having a feature you can't really use and you would still rather have it than not? Why?

Also AMD has stated the TDP already and considering the added power use of GDDR6 over HBM the power usage drop is actually pretty enormous. TDP is very marginally higher than the 2070, it'll be interesting how that translates in real world.

Wouldn't be an issue normally, but when you die is a lot smaller on smaller process and your power/TDP is still higher even after arch change.

Navi/RNDA seems o be a step in the direction but AMD gpu's from technical stand point look to need a lot of work still.

 

[Chrisc]

I agree but honestly people keep saying how AMD should be cheaper than their competition even if what they offer is a little bit better. People were even saying RTX is the difference even though a 2070 isn't powerful enough to even use RTX to any decent standard.

Yeah, i was surprised at how many people thought RTX was irrelevant, until the Next Gen AMD cards were announced without it.

 

[Chrisc]

Can you quote someone who said AMD have no right to do that?


Quite clearly AMD could charge $1million per card. Whether they actually want to make any sales is a different question.

I never stated anybody did said that. However, you do get the feeling when reading comments that people assume/expect AMD to be the much cheaper alternative. Thats a fairly accurate observation i think.