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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by subbytna, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Blackjack Davy

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    Joe Bloggs just buys an xbox surely and as for the enthusiast market, well people keep paying and if its a shrinking market prices will go up accordingly I imagine. How many cars do Ferrari or Porsche actually manufacture? Brand desirability will sell them even if it is low volume.
     
  2. Zernath

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    I don't think this will work as far as PC gaming is concerned, because if user numbers fall that low, then publishers will not see the benefit in developing games for PC.
     
  3. FoxEye

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    Plus a high-end gaming rig will never have the same kind of status as a supercar, lol.

    Thinking you can charge Ferrari prices for a gaming PC is just obviously never going to work.

    Although I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if nVidia tried :p
     
  4. StriderX

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    Creative tried... literally a monopoly and really tossed it up.
     
  5. Grim5

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    A Ferrari will get you easy girls, gaming PC will make those same girls run away
     
  6. Troezar

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    One thing we do know about Navi is the ceiling of its performance. It won't be any faster than AMD's figures, that will be the maximum.
     
  7. bru

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    Yup I wouldn't be surprised if the boost clock is pretty close to the max overclock, it might go a bit further, but probably not much.
     
  8. Panos

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    Except if you farmed Etherium and Bitcoin during the start of the craze and made few dozen millions....... :D
     
  9. Panos

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    If the game benchmarks occurred on "game mode" speeds, and the comparison between V56 1080p and 5700XT 1440p stands correct, the extra 200mhz, puts the card well into RTX2080 and Titan Xp territory, and possibly explaining the rush for the "Super" cards also. But we shall have to wait another 15 days.
     
  10. LeMson

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    690 is pretty grim, so we now know navi is a polaris replacement, at twice or more the cost, ouch O_O
     
  11. Grim5

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    I believe you are both wrong. If you go back and look at the specs again, the boost speed you get in reality out of the box is whats called the "game clock".
    You'll also notice that the game clock is much lower than the maximum clocks - with some tweaks and better cooling I believe you will be able to get the card to sustain it's peak clocks.

    Navi clocks now function a bit like Nvidias - just adding better cooling to your gpu gets you significant extra performance

    Take a look at the 50th edition specs.
    Average game clock of 1830mhz - maximum peak of 1980mhz.

    This card will hit 1980mhz as soon as it comes under load, and then as the tempretures go up it drops down to 1830mhz+- and sits there.
    So with water cooling it should sustain 1980mhz and thats before trying to overclock.

    If my theory is correct, putting the 5700xt under water should by itself get you an extra 150mhz and that's before overclocking

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  12. bru

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    Although I understand what your saying and you might very well be correct, I reckon if AMD could of put 2GHZ on their slides they would have.
    Even the cherry picked cream of the crop anniversary card only does 1980MHz, you think that AMD would of missed the chance to put 2GHz if they could of with a slight overclock.
     
  13. Panos

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    Yet Turing replaced Pascal at twice the cost,similar to pascal replaced maxwell at twice the cost....
     
  14. Troezar

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    The bigger question is, is this a warranted increase in price or just gouging (from both sides). I've long said that the standard of living in the West is going to drop off. Low interest rates, slow rise in wages, shrinkflation (less goods for the same money), large reliance on credit, large personal debts, high cost of housing, rising production costs in China, Green taxes etc.

    I expect luxury goods will become more unaffordable in the West, as they are in much of the rest of the world, to the average consumer. The rich(er) will always be able to afford them.
     
  15. LeMson

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    Yeah I was sat here on pascal launch waiting to buy 2 1080's to SLI, then lol'ed at price :p nVidia are doing the same!
     
  16. nashathedog

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    It proves that AMD are just as willing to overcharge as anyone else. I've said before that they've sat watching Nvidia prices soar and they want their piece of the pie. The lack of competition allowed Nvidia to jack prices up & they're unlikely to come down again, especially now that PC gamings become so popular.

    What annoys me most is that it looks like AMD are going to ignore the fact that RTX has extra features and roughly price match RTX cards based on pure performance, Ray Tracing may not offer a lot today but that's not the point.
     
  17. nashathedog

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    After what Raj Koduri did with Vega & the backlash AMD's still trying to repair consumer trust in Radeon so like you I don't think they'd of missed the chance to put 2000mhz on the cards if they could achieve that, We saw a complete reversal of claimed core clocks after Koduri lost his job, An example under Raj Koduri was where we were told the Vega 64 had a base clock (1600) that we struggled to achieve, With the VII Lisa Su stood on stage & stated that the VII core clock goes up to 1800mhz which they all do out of the box. It'll be interesting to see what headroom there is with the Anniversary edition, I'm sure some will do 2000mhz but if they all could as you said it would be in the stats.
     
  18. Davedree

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    Amd will hold back around 10%, to allow Aib's to differentiate from a reference board with out the box settings, and this will come with higher prices than the reference design.

    You're right about the boost behaviour and it should clock higher than Radeon VII, due to the front end changes. I'm actually hopeful that overclocking will actually scale with reasonable performance gains. I'm not sure such a card is worth watercooling though, if it had more Cu's then I could see the point.
     
  19. Panos

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    What I see there will be moans against AMD if makes a £450 RTX2080 killer or a £600 RTX2080ti killer, by the same people who justify the RTX2080 and 2080ti pricing last 9 months.
     
  20. Martini1991

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    I don't understand why people make up stuff like this.
    AMD don't have a 2080 killer at £450.
    If people did complain at a GTX2080 killer for £450, then they're the problem. But since that situation isn't reality, it's all in your head.