** The AMD Navi Thread **

[TheRealDeal]

Nvidia won't drop their prices because people keep buying their products, not because AMD have upped their own. Consumers have created this market, it's really that simple.

If Navi 5700 xt was $350 and 5700 was $280 it would cut into Nvidia's Desktop share. Most likely enough for Nvidia to bring in a price drop of some sort. Nvidia do not want any lost sales so they would react.

 

[Zernath]

That's an interesting take...

Oh come on, we all know how it goes, even Nvidia are well aware of it.

 

[Martini1991]

Oh come on, we all know how it goes, even Nvidia are well aware of it.

Nvidia have been getting slaughtered for their pricing as well.

 

[melmac]

If Navi 5700 xt was $350 and 5700 was $280 it would cut into Nvidia's Desktop share. Most likely enough for Nvidia to bring in a price drop of some sort. Nvidia do not want any lost sales so they would react.

I can only think of one time that Nvidia dropped the price of a card because of something AMD/ATI released and that was with the release of the HD 4870/4850 cards. Any other price drop was because of cards they released themselves.

Also, can you think of a time, apart from the 4870/4850 where pricing the cards cheaper has actually gained back market share? Even with the 4870/4850 they only gained back market share for a few months, in 6 months after that release AMD's market share fell to lower than before those cards were out.

Pricing low hasn't helped them, it's been a steady decline in market share for the last 10 years or more.

 

[Zernath]

Nvidia have been getting slaughtered for their pricing as well.

They seem to be selling those cards though....

 

[TheRealDeal]

I can only think of one time that Nvidia dropped the price of a card because of something AMD/ATI released and that was with the release of the HD 4870/4850 cards. Any other price drop was because of cards they released themselves.

Also, can you think of a time, apart from the 4870/4850 where pricing the cards cheaper has actually gained back market share? Even with the 4870/4850 they only gained back market share for a few months, in 6 months after that release AMD's market share fell to lower than before those cards were out.

Pricing low hasn't helped them, it's been a steady decline in market share for the last 10 years or more.

Yea most recently around the disastrous fury launch the re-branding of the 2 series to 3 series gained amd 10% on there market share. That was all about pricing and what you were getting for that money.

https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content...17-Discrete-GPU-Market-Share-NVIDIA-AMD_1.png

 

[Martini1991]

They seem to be selling those cards though....

That doesn't change the fact that Nvidia haven't just been given a free pass.
There's just as many people giving AMD a free pass with their poor pricing as are with Nvidia.

 

[Zernath]

That doesn't change the fact that Nvidia haven't just been given a free pass.
There's just as many people giving AMD a free pass with their poor pricing as are with Nvidia.

Here's the rub though, more people buy Nvidia than AMD, ergo the number of detractors is clearly going to be lower for the former over the latter.

 

[FoxEye]

That doesn't change the fact that Nvidia haven't just been given a free pass.
There's just as many people giving AMD a free pass with their poor pricing as are with Nvidia.

There's no point in presenting an argument based on reality.

OcUK has basically become a pro-AMD site these days. Zero tolerance for any criticism of AMD. And nVidia/Intel is the devil incarnate.

But yeah, I and many others, probably yourself also, trounced nVidia for their absurd pricing. But it will never be acknowledged because the prevailing narrative here is AMD, AMD, AMD. OcUK should set up a deal for AMD to sponsor the forums, tbh. They're 99% there already with the die-hard AMD superfans taking up most of the airwaves these days.

 

[Zernath]

There's no point in presenting an argument based on reality.

OcUK has basically become a pro-AMD site these days. Zero tolerance for any criticism of AMD. And nVidia/Intel is the devil incarnate.

But yeah, I and many others, probably yourself also, trounced nVidia for their absurd pricing. But it will never be acknowledged because the prevailing narrative here is AMD, AMD, AMD. OcUK should set up a deal for AMD to sponsor the forums, tbh. They're 99% there already with the die-hard AMD superfans taking up most of the airwaves these days.

That's odd, most of the posters here appear to have Nvidia cards though, so not sure how that works.

 

[FoxEye]

That's odd, most of the posters here appear to have Nvidia cards though, so not sure how that works.

The most vocal posters are all the AMD superfans. Everybody else is just letting them get on with their circle jerks in every single thread.

It's cringe worthy and makes the forum less valuable as a resource.

 

[Martini1991]

Here's the rub though, more people buy Nvidia than AMD, ergo the number of detractors is clearly going to be lower for the former over the latter.

Irrelevant.
I don't care about either company only the prices and performance.
They're both as bad as each other

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

There is a reason intel and nvidia get more stick that AMD at the moment.
Nvidia are taking the utter **** with prices and ... with this stupid raytracing crap not a lot to justify the massive increase, couple in a crap software suite and ... well its justified.

As for intel, i honestly cant understand why folk give them so much leeway. They have been holding the computer industry back for years with there crap IPC improvements, low core cpus and with what now seems very questionable security all while keeping going with there dirty tricks campaign.

AMD deserves criticism for pricing there new cards a bit too high but its a drop in the ocean compared to what those other two do.

 

[FoxEye]

There is a reason intel and nvidia get more stick that AMD at the moment.
Nvidia are taking the utter **** with prices and ... with this stupid raytracing crap not a lot to justify the massive increase, couple in a crap software suite and ... well its justified.

As for intel, i honestly cant understand why folk give them so much leeway. They have been holding the computer industry back for years with there crap IPC improvements, low core cpus and with what now seems very questionable security all while keeping going with there dirty tricks campaign.

AMD deserves criticism for pricing there new cards a bit too high but its a drop in the ocean compared to what those other two do.

The thing is, AMD have matched nV's pricing.

So AMD don't deserve less stick at the moment. They deserve the same stick.

Additionally, AMD's cards have less features (I'm not bothered about RTX personally this gen; it's too early), and in some cases (5700) are actually more expensive?

How in this green Earth does that make AMD the good guys in the GPU space?

It's baffling.

 

[queamin]

That doesn't change the fact that Nvidia haven't just been given a free pass.
There's just as many people giving AMD a free pass with their poor pricing as are with Nvidia.

Yes they have, by people buying cards at Nvidia prices. It is the consumers that have made the prices increase by buying cards, showing Nvidia that people will buy Nvidia cards at what ever price they set.

 

[Martini1991]

Yes they have, by people buying cards at Nvidia prices. It is the consumers that have made the prices increase by buying cards, showing Nvidia that people will buy Nvidia cards at what ever price they set.

People have bought AMD products at poor pricing and they will also buy Navi.
By the same token AMD are given the same pass.

 

[queamin]

Why should Amd sell really cheap cards when Nvidia out sells them 4/5 to 1 even when Amd has a better card.

 

[melmac]

Yea most recently around the disastrous fury launch the re-branding of the 2 series to 3 series gained amd 10% on there market share. That was all about pricing and what you were getting for that money.

https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content...17-Discrete-GPU-Market-Share-NVIDIA-AMD_1.png

Sorry, but, no, they didn't. Even the graph you linked to doesn't show that. The rise you see on the graph was due to the release of the Polaris cards.

 

[Martini1991]

Why should Amd sell really cheap cards when Nvidia out sells them 4/5 to 1 even when Amd has a better card.

I don't think AMD should be selling really cheap cards
But I don't think either company should continue exploiting their customers either.

It's worse that AMD came out with the $200 sales pitch when they announced the Radeon Rebellion

 

[melmac]

People have bought AMD products at poor pricing and they will also buy Navi.
By the same token AMD are given the same pass.

Aren't you arguing against the same point you made earlier about Consumers paying high prices for the original Titan card causing this problem.

And plainly people aren't buying AMD cards no matter what they are priced at. So not sure they are getting the same free pass.