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** The AMD Navi Thread **

JediFragger said:
Who am I kidding, I'll probably get one at launch! :D

Might even go for the dented blower if they prove to have gotten noise somewhat under control...
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Apparently that dent helps with reducing noise, the vapor chamber is apparently much larger than it is on Vega's blower.

nVidia's blowers are much quieter than AMD's, so it's possible to bring the noise down, i think the problem with something like the RX 480 blowers is while they didn't use an awful lot of power they were designed for low margins and therefore cheap.
 
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JediFragger said:
Tbf I did wonder myself at the time, and also read that 7nm wasn't a cheap process. Maybe I took what they said as gospel a little too much.
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It's easy to be sucked in with online 'journalism' and I'm as guilty as the rest of us for believing some of the hype/speculation/BS that shows up on so many of these so-called tech sites.

I'm as disappointed as the rest of us appear to be with the pricing of AMD's latest GPU offering but I am hoping these are artificially high at launch to help clear inventory. Fingers crossed the price will drop soon after (unless AMD re-evaluate in light of the 20xx Supers).

TBH, the most interesting thing I've seen recently was the registering of additional SKUs by Sapphire, including 5800/5900 etc. I realise they could just be hedging their bets but since they are AMD's primary partner and the company responsible for the reference models, I'd like to think it's a little more than hedging :P
 
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It’s pretty much a moot point for me my KFA 980ti hof ln2 died in Oct and kfa were abysmal to deal with and never even responded to my rma requests or emails, so in jan I gave up and started gfx card shopping.

Honestly I had not really kept up to date on pc tech as I had just became a dad after I built my last rig, so I was unprepared for the prices of cards or the lack of competition 3 years later. Short version i decided to pay £980 for a 2080ti rather than pay £500-600 for a mid range card that only just beat my 3yr old card or worse was slower.

I would love for amd to release an actual competitive gfx card I just don’t see this being them, also yes I am part of the problem paying over the odds however AMD are not a charity that deserve money no matter what they eventually release after the hype dies down.(I used to run 2 5850’s in crossfire with all the driver based fun that entailed which burned off any goodwill I had for then)
 
JediFragger said:
Apparently the fan maxes out at 1800rpm something, and Vega's blower was somewhat reasonable at 2k so it bodes well :)
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That would be good, at 1800 RPM even the 290X blower made very little noise, the problem was during gaming it ran at near 5000 RPM and there's no other word for it, ear splitting.
 
humbug said:
Polaris launch price?

Both the RX 480 and 580 Launched at $230.

Are you sure? they had GDDR5 vs GDDR6 which is more expensive and a similar price on 14nm vs 7nm which costs 2X as much per wafer and is less mature than 14nm was.

And they are 2X the performance.
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And 2x the price...

One wonders what perf AMD will give £250 buyers... will it be as good as Vega 56 or not?
 
humbug said:
That would be good, at 1800 RPM even the 290X blower made very little noise, the problem was during gaming it ran at near 5000 RPM and there's no other word for it, ear splitting.
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That was a proper nuclear reactor of a card. It had good performance and with a decent cooler, like Sapphire's Tri-X, was capable of running fairly quietly too. But the reference model was atrocious. :D
 
JediFragger said:
At least nVidia are providing better features at the same pricepoints, and have the excuse of a large die to consider. AMD have no such excuse, this is a Polaris replacement.
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Martini1991 said:
The 5700XT is a Polaris replacement and should be priced as such.
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Satchfanuk said:
AFAIK, nobody outside of AMD knows what they pay TSMC for a 7nm wafer, nor do we know what yields they are getting on those wafers (I don't recall seeing any figures published). RAM might be the only thing we can hazard a guess at, price wise, the rest is pure speculation. AMD could be getting anywhere from 0-100% out of each wafer which would change the maths entirely :p
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It actually hurts my head people think 5700/XT is same price do to being same size as 480/580.
-Designing 7nm die is three times more expensive than 14/12nm. Not the same, not twice but 3 times more expensive.
-Dies being the same size does not make them priced alike, we know 300mm waffer prices, 7nm is twice (2x) more expensive - GDDR6 price is highly wolitale according AMD and we already know its price over GDDR5 is atleast 1,5x

Calculating ALL that together how on earth would 5700 be the same price than 480? 7nm yields are not on par with 14nm that is another thing. It is not surprise why Nvidia is jumping over 7nm and going to 7nm EUV. You will see AMD doing the same as fast as possible if they dont make fast side step to TSMC 6nm that doesent need "new" design. EUV is going to get prices down but every node jump is going to be a lot more expensive from now on. If you are dreaming on the days with 4850/4870 top cards with low prices, keep dreaming. AMD is heavily invested in consoles and cloud, hope you now understand why...
 
Satchfanuk said:
Vega 56 isn't a £250 GPU though. It's only being discounted to that level to sell it off.
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Ok, well Vega 56 is 580 + 60%.

So if that's too good for £250 (bear in mind 580 is currently < £180), what should £250 bring?

580 + 10%? 20%? 25%?

What if they released a Navi card at £250 with 590 performance, exactly? Would that be acceptable?
 
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B12B6 said:
It actually hurts my head people think 5700/XT is same price do to being same size as 480/580.
-Designing 7nm die is three times more expensive than 14/12nm. Not the same, not twice but 3 times more expensive.
-Dies being the same size does not make them priced alike, we know 300mm waffer prices, 7nm is twice (2x) more expensive - GDDR6 price is highly wolitale according AMD and we already know its price over GDDR5 is atleast 1,5x

Calculating ALL that together how on earth would 5700 be the same price than 480? 7nm yields are not on par with 14nm that is another thing. It is not surprise why Nvidia is jumping over 7nm and going to 7nm EUV. You will see AMD doing the same as fast as possible if they dont make fast side step to TSMC 6nm that doesent need "new" design. EUV is going to get prices down but every node jump is going to be a lot more expensive from now on. If you are dreaming on the days with 4850/4870 top cards with low prices, keep dreaming. AMD is heavily invested in consoles and cloud, hope you now understand why...
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With this logic we just end up with more and more expensive cards
That's not progress.
 
Martini1991 said:
With this logic we just end up with more and more expensive cards
That's not progress.
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Not once yields improve. The more viable dies you get out of each wafer, the less you have to charge for each one to make the same amount of money.

As 7nm is still immature (I assume) that yields aren't that good right now. The larger the die, the more it affects the yields. As the process improves, yields should increase and prices should come down.
 
FoxEye said:
Ok, well Vega 56 is 580 + 60%.

So if that's too good for £250 (bear in mind 580 is currently < £180), what should £250 bring?

580 + 10%? 20%? 25%?

What if they released a Navi card at £250 with 590 performance, exactly? Would that be acceptable?
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Wasn't RX 590 around £299 at launch? A Navi card at £250 which matches a 590 would represent a saving for the same performance, so you could argue it would be acceptable :P
 
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