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** The AMD Navi Thread **
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5700XT die is 251mm2
2070 Super is 545mm2
AMD def have some room to play with on pricing or they're gonna get a whoopin...
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Lets see them do it then.
Like I say, I'm not exactly sold on what to get.
Depending on what happens between now and Sunday I'm liable to get either a 5700XT/Radeon VII/2070 Super.
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Yeah, looks like the 2070S will be tough to beat!
Thanks for that, didn't realise, I thought we are all still working off leaked prices.
Interesting times again in the game. Love this time of year.
I *may* upgrade from my 1080ti but nothing is screaming at me to move yet. Certainly not worth the 2070s, maybe possibility I move to the 2080 super if a price war starts....
I *may* upgrade from my 1080ti but nothing is screaming at me to move yet. Certainly not worth the 2070s, maybe possibility I move to the 2080 super if a price war starts....
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They've been confirmed for quite a while to be honest.
$380 for the 5700.
They're absolutely DOA now.
I can see AMD lowering them so they're better price/performance than the Super parts, but I don't hold out much more hope.
So maybe $325 for 5700 and $400 for the 5700XT.
Sunday will be interesting to say the least.
If the people deciding the prices are sane, but since they went with these prices in the first place....
I actually think they will change the launch prices to these ^^^^ and then there will be a trend towards 225$ for the pure 5700 and 300$ for the XT variant.
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Nah wait for the 7nm cards to drop in a year Tom, nothing else will be worth it imo.
That's three years solid I'd have had out the 1080ti by then. NV fault they made the 1080ti so much of a beast so many others will be in this position. I'd move to a 2080ti however if they started a war but I doubt this
2070 super will be the card to get, if you can get a decent one for £500.
I will be very surprised if AMD lower prices. I think AMD are done with trying to compete with Nvidia by selling their cards at stupidly low margins. They are going to price the cards based on what it costs them and keeping their margin intact. They have only small market share, so if they are smart they wont over produce.
What's more important for AMD is that the 5700/5700xt are actually good cards. If they work well, are reasonably quiet, and have some overclocking headroom with no major flaws, then it shows that AMD are on the right track. Repeat that with the next launch and then they will start to win mindshare.
It sucks for pricing though
Of course, this all means nothing if AMD drop the prices at launch and the Navi cards are junk!!
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2070 super will be the card to get, if you can get a decent one for £500.
I will be very surprised if AMD lower prices. I think AMD are done with trying to compete with Nvidia by selling their cards at stupidly low margins. They are going to price the cards based on what it costs them and keeping their margin intact. They have only small market share, so if they are smart they wont over produce.
What's more important for AMD is that the 5700/5700xt are actually good cards. If they work well, are reasonably quiet, and have some overclocking headroom with no major flaws, then it shows that AMD are on the right track. Repeat that with the next launch and then they will start to win mindshare.
It sucks for pricing though
Of course, this all means nothing if AMD drop the prices at launch and the Navi cards are junk!!
The problem is the 2070 Super's $499 versus 5700XT $450 and looks to be better in pretty much every metric while OC'ing to 2080 performance.
While I dislike the price of both GPU's the 5700XT did offer better performance over a stock 2070. That's now no longer the case.
The 5700 at $380 versus the $400 2060 Super is even worse.
I just don't see any world in which people are going to be buying the 5700/5700XT over the Supers.
With this launch AMD will lose potential GPU buyers, like myself.
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True, they made the 1080Ti far too good for their....own good
PS 2080Ti only really good for 4k, gets a little bottlenecked at resolutions below (trust me, had one)
When it's good it's *very* good though! The 2080 Super will be a nice middle ground I feel
Yeah that's the thing. They're only "protecting their margin" if people are actually buying them... if not, there's no margin at all! Just pure losses...
True, they made the 1080Ti far too good for their....own good
PS 2080Ti only really good for 4k, gets a little bottlenecked at resolutions below (trust me, had one)
When it's good it's *very* good though! The 2080 Super will be a nice middle ground I feel
I'm at 4k and would like that little bit more...