** The AMD Navi Thread **

[Rroff]

Well they pulled a rabbit out of the hat with Ryzen which delighted me. You're right though, the enthusiast side of me is frustrated but thinking rationally I believe Lisa Su made the right decisions to save the company and is a brilliant CEO.

AMD are in the big cloud gaming platforms anyway which is a massive win and could be the future of gaming. Discrete GPUs may not matter for much longer and even when they had the superior product in the past most people bought Nvidia anyway, so why waste resources?

Sadly subscription model and probably cloud gaming is the way a lot of general consumers seem to be happy with very short sighted outlook that will just enable companies shovelling them **** and telling them they like it I don't think discrete GPUs are going away any time soon though.

I'm not trolling, just frustrated. Anyway I believe AMD are making the right decisions in order to thrive, see the post above this one.

1080ti performance against nVidia's next gen really ain't going to cut it.

 

[Grim5]

Atm "1080Ti performance" is more expensive in Nvidia products, than the original GTX1080Ti was in August-September 2017
Spare the trolling.

Wish I had bought mine back then, got my 1080ti in December 2017, cost $1500 - I've seen 2080s for sale a couple weeks ago as low as $1150

 

[Panos]

Wish I had bought mine back then, got my 1080ti in December 2017, cost $1500 - I've seen 2080s for sale a couple weeks ago as low as $1150

August 2017 bought mine was pretty cheap at £650
(changed value as logged and checked the invoice)

 

[ChrisD.]

£699 direct from NVidia in March 2017. I think it's the second longest I've ever had a GPU, the longest being the 8800 GTX from memory.

 

[TNA]

£699 direct from NVidia in March 2017. I think it's the second longest I've ever had a GPU, the longest being the 8800 GTX from memory.

Might end up being the longest by the time you decide to upgrade

 

[ChrisD.]

Might end up being the longest by the time you decide to upgrade

I think it will. I'm not sold on the 2080 Ti (lol cost and dying cards) and nothing else would give me any noticeable benefit. I'm not even sure a 2080 Ti would at my resolution (3440*1440).

 

[Yaayuh!]

£699 direct from NVidia in March 2017. I think it's the second longest I've ever had a GPU, the longest being the 8800 GTX from memory.

Same here, £700 in March 2017. I hated myself for spending so much on a graphics card at the time, but now over 2 years later i see it as one of my best purchases .
Certainly nothing worth upgrading to this year it seems.

 

[Grim5]

The resale value was so good on the 1080ti there for a while

I’ve seen them as low as $600 recently but some went for over $1100 5 months ago

 

[Zeed]

hahaahah

 

[Sargatanas2511]

hahaahah

Bit early don't you think? No-one knows what to expect from it yet.

 

[Zeed]

Bit early don't you think? No-one knows what to expect from it yet.

I expect Disappoitment i'm 100% sure AMD can deliver that

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I expect Disappoitment i'm 100% sure AMD can deliver that

Depends how high your expectations are really. I think they will make a product that will serve it's purpose well, but may not be the fastest card in the world therefore everyone will declare it crap.

 

[ltron]

I expect Disappoitment i'm 100% sure AMD can deliver that

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[ltron]

Sadly subscription model and probably cloud gaming is the way a lot of general consumers seem to be happy with very short sighted outlook that will just enable companies shovelling them **** and telling them they like it I don't think discrete GPUs are going away any time soon though.



1080ti performance against nVidia's next gen really ain't going to cut it.

I expect we won't see a full transition to cloud gaming for at least five years during which it will be complementary to what we have now. Of course it could also come to naught if they can't overcome the technical challenges.

We'll see what Navi's performance is in the end, I will try to remain optimistic although if Intel are competitive they could take whatever AMD have left in the mid and high end.

 

[Chrisc]

Navi 20 RX3090 XT = Radeon VII for USD500...

This guy's stupid thumbnail faces annoy me, but I can't get enough of this rumour stuff.

He irritates, and i will show my arse on the town hall steps if it equals the VII

 

[LePhuronn]

He irritates, and i will show my arse on the town hall steps if it equals the VII

I have little doubt that this 3090 XT will equal, if not surpass, the Radeon VII. But I'll show my arse if it's out this year.

 

[Illuminist]

Cloud gaming will possibly take over from consoles, but nothing will replace the non latency of a discrete card in your system.

Also, AMD should be leap frogging nvidia if it was performing properly, every generation being better than the oppositions even if its just slightly. for example the 1080ti was better than the vega 64, so the vega 64 needed to be better than it, so that nvidia leap frog with the 2080ti and then the radeon 7 should have been 2080ti performance around (or at least Navi doing this as its one gen later)
BUT none of this happened, or will happen, its just fantasy land.
I love amd and am defiantely an underdog fan boi, but im sick of them screwing us, and basically giving us loyal fan less performance than nvidia for the same money, they don't even TRY to under cut the price now either.
Its literally the same product but worse in a red package for the same price (at the higher ends)

If Navi is just the same performance as the current line up of rx and vega then what is the damn point? yes it will be cheaper, but you can get a vega 56 for £250 , so why bring out a 7nm navi @Vega 56/64 power for £250 ......... and as for the 3080xt being £300 cheaper than a 2080 for same performance, there is no way i can ever believe that due to the above and the past which must be learned from to avoid dissapointment!

 

[Illuminist]

It's almost like AMD have stretched the underdog feels too far at this point and have become boring for not delivering either a lower price or better performance.

Show Navi beating 2080ti or similar performance for £800 or gtfo AMD, there is no point to your gaming gpus otherwise.

 

[LePhuronn]

And I'll repeat myself: AMD have been close to bankruptcy for a long time, pray tell how do you expect them to produce Nvidia-beating products when they have the fraction of the R&D budget even when they're not facing going out of business?

You're coming across as rather petulant here, Illuminist, almost as if you don't quite grasp what's been happening with AMD for a long time. The vast majority of the market doesn't give a **** about top-end halo products, that's not where the money is made. I couldn't give a rat's ass about a 2080 Ti beater if it costs £800, that's twice what I could afford and wouldn't pay that much on principle.

And even if we see a Navi card with identical price and performance as Vega, this means there is more profit for AMD, meaning they can actually fund R&D to get their GPU game back. You're not going to get your pointless halo product without money.

As for "not even bothering to undercut Nvidia", why then did you pander to such perceived greed and buy a Radeon VII anyway? But you do also understand that Radeon VII is a PR stunt, right, and pricing it any lower than the £650 MSRP would have significant negative effects on Navi SKUs and prices, yeah?

 

[Illuminist]

And I'll repeat myself: AMD have been close to bankruptcy for a long time, pray tell how do you expect them to produce Nvidia-beating products when they have the fraction of the R&D budget even when they're not facing going out of business?

You're coming across as rather petulant here, Illuminist, almost as if you don't quite grasp what's been happening with AMD for a long time.

Dont make high end cards and focus on the budget range then, or leave rx 5xx series and focus on 1 or 2 high end gpus, you don't seem to see that they pull on peoples sympathy but then deceive their customers and underdeliver for a premium price point