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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by subbytna, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. nashathedog

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    * Maybe but I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to them to push past Navi & GCN when that's going to be the next gen console architecture, They should push on but if they can get a chiplet design that works properly they may focus on developing that over the next few years.

    ** It would make sense considering how big the price range gap is. I'm not sure with what though, Unless I'm mistaken the 2080 is a fully unlocked chip & the 2080ti already isn't.

    *** Of course, a week competitor opens the consumer up to being taken advantage of as we've seen Nvidia do time & time again. They did it on Pascal's release by delaying custom cards and adding a Founders tax on reference cards claiming it was because the blower design was more high-end than the last one, then they did it again with Turing prices, we need competition & we need it to be more than a 2 horse race so thank God for Intel entering the discrete gpu market.
     
  2. subbytna

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    AMD's big customers dictate what AMD focuses on in terms of performance.

    Coreteks youtube video https://youtu.be/PRz4U9GrM2w?t=416

    Good explanation of AMD doing what their customers want, not what "Joe bloggs the gamer" wants. Their customers dictate what direction AMD takes with their graphics.
     
  3. LePhuronn

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    But if AMD don't give Joe Bloggs a gamer card that can crush Nvidia, they should just gtfo apparently :confused:
     
  4. Chrisc

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    Awful??
     
  5. Sargatanas2511

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    5-10% less = pointless garbage it seems. Even if it comes with additional features, products or is cheaper.
     
  6. Chrisc

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    Thats a great mindset to have :rolleyes:
     
  7. Sargatanas2511

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    It's the uphill mindset AMD have been battling against basically since the name change from ATi.
     
  8. CuriousTomCat

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    I'm fully aware that high end products are a good marketing tool to help sell the lower end products.

    However, AMD don't have the R&D capital for the high end products you speak of. AMD made the Vega 64 while making an annual NET LOSS of $660 million. Compare this to Nvidia's revenue of 4.64 billion, how the hell can you expect AMD to compete at the high end?

    I'd say that AMD are doing remarkably well considering!
     
  9. subbytna

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    Lets get back on track talking about Navi and leave the handbags stuff to private messages?

    Q3 then for Navi, so that means it could possibly be out July at the earliest?...if my mathematics is right.
     
  10. LePhuronn

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    Q3 is July, August and September. I would very much like Ryzen and Navi to launch at the same time so we have a complete mainstream consumer PCIe4 eco system launching as a package; Ryzen 3000, RX 3000, X570. That could be July, but I wouldn't want Ryzen and X570 held up until September because Navi is a problem.
     
  11. subbytna

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    Mutterings of heat issues with Navi.....will we see GTX480 MKII :D
     
  12. LePhuronn

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    A beast of a card whose heat and power woes were only cared about by detractors looking for an argument?

    Could be interesting :p
     
  13. ANDREW GREEN

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    Out of interest why do you think the R7 sucks? Too loud? Too hot? Too Expensive? Not as fast as 2080 (yet)?
     
  14. Rezident

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    Is that true or is that just a story you tell yourself? Vega 64 is still awesome, and AMD is always better value than Nvidia.

    About 2,000 years ago a Roman slave called Epictetus had an idea, an idea so good that it has spawned countless wonders including modern day neurolinguisticprogramming (NLP) and Cognitive Behaviour Therapy to name just two. The idea was this: it is not the facts themselves that actually make us feel happy or sad, it is the stories that we tell ourselves about the events that make us feel the way we do.

    Marketing works, and Nvidia and their shareholders love customers like you.
     
  15. nashathedog

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    Nah, Hawaii was the Mark 2, Navi's the Mark 3 :D
     
  16. Vince

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    I think a few people should have a look at this video:



    Not only is it interesting but it might help explain their position in the market and why they do what they do. Navi might be a failure for us but I bet it hits the spot for it's intended audience. Much like Mi50/60 ;)
     
  17. dragonslayer

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    In 2013 ( or around that time) AMD had to let off thousands of employees as they were losing money they even had to sell the building they owned and had to rent it off of the new owners it wasn't until recent that AMD started gaining market share back their shares was something like $1 in 2014/16 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...how-amd-has-overcome-its-previous-issues/amp/

    Forgot to add yes Vega is awesome now at its current price but when it was released at £600? Imo it wasn't a great deal and was a poor buy but that's my opinion
     
  18. Illuminist

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    Nicely done vince
     
  19. Besty

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    q3 launch for AMD usually means 15th September :)

    The 2080 was a poor follow up to the stellar 1080, this is AMDs opportunity.

    Vega wasn’t a bad set of cards but i think the perception of drivers problems and lack of competition to G-Sync loomed large in that product cycle, it was not just that Vega was seen as an inferior gpu, it was the whole package.

    With those two problems behind it AMD can at least be mostly judged on perf and perf per watt again.
     
  20. subbytna

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    Do keep up squire :D a dozen or so posts above yours :p

    J/K... It's actually a decent video from him. Takes a while to get used to his monotone voice though. Been following him for a while now, very like Jim at @adoredtv where he's good at analysing tech.