To make as much money as possible. I don't think they are interested in smashing anyone out of the water.
Even if they have the tech to do much better it won't be released as it will be held back to take on the green teams next series of cards.
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Even if they have the tech to do much better it won't be released as it will be held back to take on the green teams next series of cards.
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To offer more value than the 1660, 1660ti, 2060 and 2070 in those price brackets while making AMD profitable again.
The question is what does 'better value' mean. Is it merely 2gb extra VRAM at the same price point, which is certainly better value? Or do they undercut Nvidia equivilents by £50-£100
Because of RTX you'd imagine they have to undercut the 2060. So do we get a £250 2060 equivilent with 8gb of RAM? I think that would be a sweet spot for most people. Likewise this would make the 1660ti redundant
There's a reason why Nvidia are announcing price drops around the Navi launch, they know it'll change the market
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I think someone mentioned only 2% of gamers have 1080ti cards or better. So the vast the majority don't expect this level or performance or at least don't want to pay for it.
To replace existing cards
30% of the market is 1080ti owners if you only look at Gamers Nexus viewers.
Which suggests to me at least that people who post on forums and watch tech youtube videos are a vocal minority and tend to be comprised of much more higher end gamers than the market as a whole.
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Profitability, sustainability, business security, financial stability, and that's just within AMD as a company. If the price points come in roughly where they're leaked to be then add market pricing reset and sanity, increase market share, boost mind share, generate revenue and momentum to return AMD's graphics division to competitiveness across all market tiers.
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Anybody who doesn't have a 1080 Ti for a start. Anybody who refuse to buy Nvidia for whatever reason.
And your exact same logic applies to the RTX 2080. That doesn't beat a GTX 1080 Ti either, so why bother getting one of those?
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The vast majority of non enthusiast PC users.
Exactly, Gamers Nexus is an extremely niche Youtuber, I think it's a niche within a niche, more of a hardcore tech head channel, I consider myself an enthusiast & I do watch some Gamer Nexus videos but the majority bore the hell out of me & I often find myself dozing off, It's also why I don't watch much TTL TV & prefer to peruse his website for reviews & info instead.
I never understood the argument of ‘it can’t beat a 2-3 yr old card. It just doesn’t make sense unless it’s released in the same price bracket.
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The argument seems to come from those looking to upgrade. Yes, I fully understand the frustration of being stuck at the same performance level for multiple years with no viable upgrade path, but it's such a vapid, first world problem it's almost laughable; spend your money on something else then, or even Heaven forfend save it for a rainy day.
The trouble becomes these upgraders completely miss the point that they are a tiny fraction of the consumer base, yet seem to skew the argument to make them central to it. I certainly don't build systems enough to get every generation of card, I certainly don't have the money to upgrade all the time, so a "2-3 year old card" is actually light years ahead of what I have currently. And if the same performance level is sold at the sae price bracket, even that's not really an issue because generation-on-generation we will see some level of improvement.
And despite all of this, the notion of a new graphics card coming out that is "only" as good as a 3 year old card but costs only couple hundred quid is seen to be a laughable one. Surely to God matching a card that's 3 years old for a couple hundred quid is entirely the point and result of technological progression?
As long as it improves on the price for performance, there is every point. Just because it does not provide a upgrade path for me or you does not make it pointless
As long as it improves on the price for performance, there is every point. Just because it does not provide a upgrade path for me or you does not make it pointless
Precisely. There is a lot of entitlement going around - people are expecting 100% performance bump at each tier every year now.
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A childish interpretation.
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Navi should trade blows with the 1660, 1660ti, 2060 and hopefully the 2070. You're saying whats the point because it's not not as fast as a 2080ti? Why does it have to be the best to impress you? You could ask what the point is to anything slower than a 2080 by your argument.
So basically you're asking who will buy a card slower than a Radeon VII or an RTX 2080? Nobody should buy a 2060 or a 2070 because they're slower than a 1080Ti? That's 90% of gamers priced out of the market then because an RTX 2070 isn't good enough.
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By that measure, why would you buy an RTX 2070 or anything below? Bloody Hell....
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I think the top end one will be around Vega VII / 1080TI levels. But no more.
And yes, at the right price there is a huge market for that, me included.
And yes, at the right price there is a huge market for that, me included.
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Will there be a mobile variant for laptops?
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It's a very small percentage of upgraders who have either a 980ti, 1070ti, Vega or a 1080 or even a 1080ti. Anyone who has a 580/1060 down already have decent upgrade option, where as the top end now means paying £1200 or whatever.
Part of the problem is people upgrading to 4k, which drops frame drops. I remember back when Pioneer had the best plasma screens and every ITK videophile swore down a 720p provided a suprior image to 1080p LCD because of the drastically superior contrast ratio and deep black levels. I wonder if gaming at 1440p or 1080p on an IPS or better yet OLED would give a superior visual experience to a 4k LED.
I honestly couldnt have said it better myself. surely its classed as progress, if a new generation of card which is for the mid range range market comes out at significantly cheaper? to me, the old high end market drops down a tier and becomes the mid range? to be perfectly honest, when navi makes it to the market, if its around the vega 56/v64 level for cheaper, thats a win for me.