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** The AMD Navi Thread **

I don’t want to be negative but while the cpu benchmarks were more comprehensive the Navi ones had holes.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-vii-16-gb-review,15.html

As you can see Strange Brigade heavily favours AMD and does not represent average market gaming performance.

The Navi card shown is advertised as beating the 2070, just - this puts it at Vega 64 performance in Strange Brigade.

This means the Navi card is likely to perform a lot less in other titles relative to the 2070 results that demo’d today.

We do know Navi offers lower TDP though they said 50% less power than Vega.

So what Lisa did is heavily cherry pick a benchmark to put the Navi rx5700 up against the 2070 a feat which it likely can not replicate in other 90% of games
 
Grim5 said:
I don’t want to be negative but while the cpu benchmarks were more comprehensive the Navi ones had holes.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-vii-16-gb-review,15.html

As you can see Strange Brigade heavily favours AMD and does not represent average market gaming performance.

The Navi card shown is advertised as beating the 2070, just - this puts it at Vega 64 performance in Strange Brigade.

This means the Navi card is likely to perform a lot less in other titles relative to the 2070 results that demo’d today.

We do know Navi offers lower TDP though they said 50% less power than Vega.

So what Lisa did is heavily cherry pick a benchmark to put the Navi rx5700 up against the 2070 a feat which it likely can not replicate in other 90% of games
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You might be right, but can we apply that to what is a brand new architecture? In other words can we assume Strange Brigade still shows an advantage on AMD.
 
3rd Generation AMD Ryzen™ processors:
Support for DDR4 3200/2933/2667/2400/2133 MHz memory modules
2nd Generation AMD Ryzen™ processors/2nd Generation AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics processors/AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics processors:
Support for DDR4 2933/2667/2400/2133 MHz memory modules
4 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 128 GB (32 GB single DIMM capacity) of system memory
Dual channel memory architecture
Support for ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8 memory modules
Support for non-ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 memory modules
Support for Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules
 
What a surprise launch, interesting.

I thought AdoredTV was very reliable source with past leaks but the latest leaks on Navi RX 3060, 3070 and 3080 based on GCN 6.0 were all turned out to be fake.

Look like AMD probably will screwed Radeon VII owners when AMD will launch Radeon RX 5800 that will have RTX 2080 and Radeon VII performance level.
 
Participant said:
You might be right, but can we apply that to what is a brand new architecture? In other words can we assume Strange Brigade still shows an advantage on AMD.
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Well we won’t know for a couple more weeks. I know AMD said it’s new architecture but we need more details to know if that’s true or it’s a modified GCN.
For instance Nvidia uses new names all the one even when they are not brand new architectures.

If it’s true and RDNA is totally different to GCN then you correct my assumption is wrong because you can’t easily make assumptions between different architecture until you actually see the numbers
 
June 10th at E3 for all the important information. More waiting :) AMD doing a good hype building exercise. The pricing will be crucial, from them and Nvidia.
 
Grim5 said:
Well we won’t know for a couple more weeks. I know AMD said it’s new architecture but we need more details to know if that’s true or it’s a modified GCN.
For instance Nvidia uses new names all the one even when they are not brand new architectures.

If it’s true and RDNA is totally different to GCN then you correct my assumption is wrong because you can’t easily make assumptions between different architecture until you actually see the numbers
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It is a modified GCN architecture that AMD are marketing as completely new. I don\'t think the difference matters much, what is important is actual performance. Once you look through AMDs cherry picked benchmark we see a GPU that will be between 2060 and 2070 performance in most games for 2070 prices, but no DLSS and no RTX.
 
Very underwhelming initially. I mean IPC gains and performance per watt gains sound good.

But a pro AMD Title only beats the 2070 performance by 10% kind of translates to not beating the 2070 at the same or higher price a year late. And the 2070 was a ***** value proposition anyway, being essentially the same card as the 2060, minus bandwidth and VRAM.

Sounds like the value is in tooling Navi off and buying an end of line Vega card.
 
Grim5 said:
I don’t want to be negative but while the cpu benchmarks were more comprehensive the Navi ones had holes.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-radeon-vii-16-gb-review,15.html

As you can see Strange Brigade heavily favours AMD and does not represent average market gaming performance.

The Navi card shown is advertised as beating the 2070 , just - this puts it at Vega 64 performance in Strange Brigade.

This means the Navi card is likely to perform a lot less in other titles relative to the 2070 results that demo’d today.

We do know Navi offers lower TDP though they said 50% less power than Vega.

So what Lisa did is heavily cherry pick a benchmark to put the Navi rx5700 up against the 2070 a feat which it likely can not replicate in other 90% of games
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I'd note that HardwareUnboxed tested Strange Brigade at 1440p Ultra (the above test is 1080p), the same resolution as AMD and the 2070 beat the Vega 64 by 2% average FPS and 9% 1% lows. So beating the 2070 by 10% at 1440p Ultra translates to Vega 64 + 12% average FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3IxsXoVimU&t=249s

So beer coaster maths time. To extrapolite the Hardware unboxed benchmarking video over 36 game benchmarks:

2070 11% faster than 2060
2060 7% faster than Vega 56
Vega 64 8% faster than Vega 56

= Vega 64 1% faster than 2060

RX5700 12% faster than Vega 64

RX5700 13% faster than 2060

RX5700 2% faster than 2070

Assuming on average RX5700 performs on average the same as it does on Strangebrigade. In theory RX5700 with it's new geometry engine should perform better in titles AMD is traditionally weak in so may do better on average (in theory).

At this stage it really looks like price fixing from Nvidia and AMD
 
D.P. said:
Which is just over Vega 64 performance, so likely around 10% slower than a 2070.
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Does Navi have hardware RT?. If not, I find comparisons with Nvidias RT range useless unless people really expect to avoid RT for the next few years. I'd not want to buy a card now without RT personally. Would have to be pretty cheap.
 
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D.P. said:
It is a modified GCN architecture that AMD are marketing as completely new. I don\'t think the difference matters much, what is important is actual performance. Once you look through AMDs cherry picked benchmark we see a GPU that will be between 2060 and 2070 performance in most games for 2070 prices, but no DLSS and no RTX.
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It does matter to the point where there are situations and titles where amd has advantages because of GCN. If rnda is totally different AMD may loose it’s advantage there. And the same could be said where amd has disadvantages those may disappear. But then you have Nvidia who tweaks its architecture rather than total redesign and so the weaknesses remain, like DX12 gaming in some titles for Turing even.

The point being my post was assuming rnda is just a modification like Turing is to pascal. And if it’s not then all the cards are on the table and we can’t really make claims until E3
 
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