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** The AMD Navi Thread **

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by subbytna, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Satchfanuk

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    I'll be tuning in from 10pm just to be sure I don't miss anything. I have my snacks at the ready :)
     
  2. 4K8KW10

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    I don't think you actually believe what you've just typed.

    See: Gigabyte explains it for you:

    The heat dissipation performance is enhanced up to 33% than the reference card https://www.gigabyte.com/Press/News/1294
     
  3. flea.rider

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    snacks ???? bottle of voddy and 4 pack of pork scratchings :) I'm off tomorrow
     
  4. shankly1985

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    Again WOW!
    Cooling the Core = higher clock speed you still have the GPU outputting the same amount of heat LOL

    GTX 1080 = 180w - CORE temp will still be around the same as VEGA 64
    But VEGA 64 = 300w Again the core will be the same "Depending on the cooler used"

    But guess what GPU outputs the less overall heat?

    A perfect example is this video! Note the GPU core temp but look at the total system power! = More heat into the room! It doesn't MATTER what the GPU cooling is even if you water cool the TDP of the GPU doesn't change and the heat output remains the same.



    Edit
    This is my last reply to you! Thread is getting abit OT now
     
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  5. HeX

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    Shankly is right regarding the heat; a better cooler doesn't reduce the amount of heat a card produces it just removes it more efficiently, there's still X Watts of heat dumped somewhere. That's the 33% improved cooling Gigabyte is talking about, they are saying their cooler removes the heat X% faster/more efficiently than the stock card.
     
  6. 4K8KW10

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    But I didn't say that the TDP didn't stay the same. It stays the same but over a much larger surface and volume of air.
    I have no idea why he argues about the TDP when it's completely irrelevant.
     
  7. james.miller

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  8. 4K8KW10

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    This is wrong.
    Voltage increases the thermal density while good cooling decreases the thermal density.
    And by thermal density I mean the average temperature over the PCB surface.
     
  9. Poneros

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  10. james.miller

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    That's just...average temperature. Which is pretty meaningless.
     
  11. shankly1985

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    Leak slide
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  12. bru

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    And again we would like to see some evidence of this exclusivity deal.

    DXR is part of Direct X and is vendor agnostic.
     
  13. Illuminist

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    Yes but RTX is not and is a hardware implementation of that api, it would have needed hard collaboration to combine the two.....
     
  14. Jono8

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    So judging from that slide it is basically ~ 2070 performance, possibly just edging it on average by a few percent.

    It is going to be all about the price.

    If it is under £300 i think they will be on to a winner. Anymore and its a massive disappointment quite frankly. If it more like around £400, why would you not just get the 2070? It has ray tracing and probably (just basing this on speculation) better power usage.

    If it is under £300 i reckon i will get one.
     
  15. Scougar

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    4K) They are talking about heat output, you are talking about heat at the chip. Please get aligned so this can continue normally...


    So... Starts at 6pm for me. Might skip the gym to watch lol. Not expecting anything miraculous, but just want to get an idea of whether it is worth buying. Tired of the ridiculous prices and I don't want to invest in older tech (570/vega56) tbh.
     
  16. Scougar

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    Will they say "cheaper for better performance", "we are better so pay more" or " we give.better overall perf for the same money". Pick your winner....
     
  17. 4K8KW10

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    We are talking about cooling solutions quality. Heat output is irrelevant!
     
  18. Illuminist

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    Yeah this, either price it less and be champions of us all, or same price with ray tracing (not going to happen) If AMD mess up and price it the same they are rediculously stupid, like SUPER rediculously stupid

    It's almost as if the price difference will be what RTX is worth
     
  19. HeX

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    Yup, if that's accurate it all comes down to pricing. Especially if the rumours of Nvidia price drops are true... Otherwise as you say why not just get an already available 2070 with RT...
     
  20. Illuminist

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    And if they drop the price of the 2070 and replace it with a 2070 SUPER with %10 performance at the same old 2070 price , the Navi will be matching something that is faster than itself

    It all boils down to this moment AMD , make it cheaper, nvidia will lower the 2070 price to match it and top it with a 2070 super, its dangerous times!!