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From all accounts, the 5080 (5070!) is possibly the worst uplift generationally that there has been, yes, it is the 3rd (maybe) best graphics card you can buy, and hey! it overclocks! (but maybe not for you) but it is gimped in VRAM for the price and you just know DLSS 5.0 will further gimp it, if the incredibly likely refresh didn't already. This isn't taking in to account the inability you would have presently of not being able to buy one (at RRP <£1k).
You're right to wait a month or two, unless you are in desperate need. Maybe AMD will pull a blinder, maybe not, maybe Nvidia will up their supply (
). What harm can it do?
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if the 9070xt is at near 4080 levels as is rumoured we are in the 5080 ballpark at 1440p its only 3% faster so you might as well wait and see no way I would ever pay £1400 for a 5080
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Love that you're making him buy it, rather than just giving it to him!
Dude, hate to say it, but that's not going to happen. The AIBs will shape supply so that their RRP models are always anemically low on stock... and scalpers will continue to scoop those up.
Posted the image below in the NV thread, and it really illustrates what you've both mentioned above, and what others have said already on "shrinkflation".
The 5080 is really a 5060
It's not even 800+ that people are paying; more like 1,200+ with the average prices people seem to be paying for the 5080.
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Yeah, it's not great, but it seems to be where we are now. The fact I'm not upgrading from a 4080 means I'm not so bothered about the generational uplift. As you say, currently it is pretty much the 3rd best card available.From all accounts, the 5080 (5070!) is possibly the worst uplift generationally that there has been, yes, it is the 3rd (maybe) best graphics card you can buy, and hey! it overclocks! (but maybe not for you) but it is gimped in VRAM for the price and you just know DLSS 5.0 will further gimp it, if the incredibly likely refresh didn't already. This isn't taking in to account the inability you would have presently of not being able to buy one (at RRP <£1k).
You're right to wait a month or two, unless you are in desperate need. Maybe AMD will pull a blinder, maybe not, maybe Nvidia will up their supply (
Yeah, I doubt there's much chance of getting a 5080 before the 7090XTs are out anyway so waiting isn't really optional!
I'm hoping the 9070XT is in the 5080 ballpark at 4K (give or take a % or two), although in both cases 16GB VRAM is disappointing.
Well we say that but anything can happen. AMD has had a history of poor stock on release for a lot longer than Nvidia has, if I remember correctly I think folks were moaning about it during the Vega days. That and the AMD GPUs also got scalped & priced to oblivion during the crypto days.
If there's a lot more demand for these AMD GPUs, on account of folks being sick of Nvidia's terrible generation for 5000 series, there could be similar supply issues to Nvidia's recent launches. Especially if AMD don't use this opportunity to bulk up supply. Gibbo mentioned there was supposedly even lower numbers of the new AMD GPUs when I asked in the recent GPU stock thread earlier in Jan. Keeping in mind retailers are having to hold onto the unlaunched stock of these cards. So if it had launched this month, we'd have barely gotten any.
I mean we expect it should be fine, given the increased time to stock up and such. But this is AMD's GPU division we're talking about, they never miss an opportunity to fall flat these days.
Love that you're making him buy it, rather than just giving it to him!
Dude, hate to say it, but that's not going to happen. The AIBs will shape supply so that their RRP models are always anemically low on stock... and scalpers will continue to scoop those up.
It's not even 800+, more like 1,200+ with the average prices people seem to be paying for the 5080.
Posted the image below in the NV thread, and it really illustrates what you've both mentioned above, and what others have said already on "shrinkflation".
The 5080 is really a 5060
Yeah. He will get it for a good price but they are a bit spoilt and trying to get him to do chores is difficult at best. My eldest has learnt the same way so I feel they can start to understand the value of stuff. He will appreciate it more this way.
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Since the delay, AMD will not have been delivering any additional stock. So not apples to apples I suspect.
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I want to challenge the assumption that many of us (including myself!) have made that the 9070 XT AIB cards look expensive and "over-built".
I did a quick scan for mid-range AIB models from the past couple of generations at the ~$600-650 price point. (I know, inflation complicates the picture somewhat...)
If we take the 3070Ti, 4070 Super, and 7900 GRE, many of the models are in fact triple fan chonksters, just like the 9070 cards:
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Ok, sure, the three power connectors on the 9070 XT cards isn't a great sign - but that just means they're not very power efficient, not that they're "expensive" per se.
I did a quick scan for mid-range AIB models from the past couple of generations at the ~$600-650 price point. (I know, inflation complicates the picture somewhat...)
If we take the 3070Ti, 4070 Super, and 7900 GRE, many of the models are in fact triple fan chonksters, just like the 9070 cards:
Here’s a List of All the RTX 3070 Ti Cards You Can Dream About Buying
A few are still missing, most notably from Asus
Best RTX 4070 SUPER Graphics Cards to Buy in 2024 - GeekaWhat
The RTX 4070 SUPER is an ideal graphics card for 1440p gaming, but which variant of this GPU should you pick up for your next gaming PC?
www.geekawhat.com
AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE partner card roundup — all the cards currently listed
Here are all the RX 7900 GRE cards we could find at US retailers.
Ok, sure, the three power connectors on the 9070 XT cards isn't a great sign - but that just means they're not very power efficient, not that they're "expensive" per se.
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Yeah, I was looking for a 7000 series card for my SFF PC and found 0 that were 2-slot coolers.I want to challenge the assumption that many of us (including myself!) have made that the 9070 XT AIB cards look expensive and "over-built".
I did a quick scan for mid-range AIB models from the past couple of generations at the ~$600 price point. (I know, inflation complicates the picture somewhat...)
If we take the 3070Ti, 4070 Super, and 7900 GRE, many of the models are in fact triple fan chonksters, just like the 9070 cards:
Here’s a List of All the RTX 3070 Ti Cards You Can Dream About Buying
A few are still missing, most notably from Asus
Best RTX 4070 SUPER Graphics Cards to Buy in 2024 - GeekaWhat
The RTX 4070 SUPER is an ideal graphics card for 1440p gaming, but which variant of this GPU should you pick up for your next gaming PC?
AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE partner card roundup — all the cards currently listed
Here are all the RX 7900 GRE cards we could find at US retailers.
Ok, sure, the three power connectors on the 9070 XT cards isn't a great sign - but that just means they're not very power efficient, not that they're "expensive" per se.
Sapphire NITRO+ 7900 GRE was a high-quality chonkster...
RRP $600 (~11% markup over the MBA model at $540).
I can easily see the 9070 cards come in at a similar price point / mark-up.
RRP $600 (~11% markup over the MBA model at $540).
I can easily see the 9070 cards come in at a similar price point / mark-up.
Dude rugby's on, what are you doing posting this football trash smh.Good theory, but the prices seem too optimistic now, with how bad the 5080 is. Add at least $100 to those predictions, cos AMD smells bigger profit margins.
Whoever made the comment about AMD tripping over themselves over wanting to price high and tripping over again when the rumoured high pricing seemed in line, was right.
AMD just didn't expect to be competing with a $1k Nvidia GPU this gen...
Exactly my fears. AMD could destroy Nvidia by pricing 9700XT at max 600... but is more likely to let that opportunity slide by pricing in line with what is shaping up to be Nvidia's worst GPU generation in a long time, if not ever.
Ugh... the wait for this deciding factor is made ever more difficult by Nvidia giving AMD this massive of an opportunity to gain marketshare.
And we all know what they say about opportunities and AMDs GPU division...
AMD don't want to gain massive marketshare. If they had spare silicon they'd make more Epyc chips. They have to design GPU, but it isn't the best money maker especially not the consumer side.
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Doesn't seem like either side wants to make consumer GPUs.
Are we, are we rooting for Intel now?
Are we, are we rooting for Intel now?
For a few years now yes. Even if one of amd and nvidia wanted to make a consumer gpu, it'd be kind of nice if they had competition.
On multiple fronts, yes.
Obviously they have their current consumer GPU range, but for reasons* I am less excited about this.
*game support, driver maturity, beholden to TSMC supply so likely highly margin dilutive, low consumer mindshare, e-curve position vs. NV / AMD etc. etc.
I am more excited by the possibility that they nail the new 18A process at scale and bring a ton more advanced node capacity into play. I.e., what we all hoped Samsung would do during/after RTX 3000 series. Theoretically, more competition vs. TSMC could drive down wafer prices (certainly, Intel would need to price lower to attract new foundry customers).
Not sure how much the economics would directly benefit consumers - we've shot ourselves in the face by displaying very low price sensitivity - but it's certainly better to not have a supply constraint.
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As crazy as it seems...maybe. But that'd be absolute insanity.
(says the guy that bought a Starforce intel graphics card (that's a GPU to anyone under the age of 30) in the early 2000s)
tl;dr - Intel have been here before, and the internet seemingly doesn't remember. They ****** it up then as well, before retreating to doing "just" integrated graphics.
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20x 7900xtx sold aswell. Dat vram making a difference.