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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Sargatanas2511 said:
It is weird that this has been latched onto so easily when there's nothing else to back this up. Until now it was widely accepted that supply issues caused some delays and now suddenly it isn't supply issues.

I suppose if there were performance issues then we should see Doom running even better than it was shown almost a year ago.
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That was also a rumour that started on WCCFtech if i remember correctly.

Schnippzle said:
And that's the thing: In the absence of real numbers and statistics, the usual suspects latch on to rumours and make them facts. The argument that "no news is bad news" does not hold up here and the imagination of a few sites shouldn't be taken as gospel.

Let me see official reviews and let's leave speculation at the door.
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Hamfist said:
Don't believe this, but it'll be easy to prove. If it's a driver/performance issue then we should see a hard launch of RX Vega, sooner rather than later, and there will be hundreds of thousands available on release day. It's not like there's only so many drivers to go round.
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Why are supply/yield issues more believable than driver issues?

Considering this is a company who in the past has been slayed by everyone for releasing products before the drivers where ready. Just look at Ryzen launch reviews. Also Raja, did point to having difficulty coding the drivers.
 
akarypid said:
So, my take on this is:
  • I think it's pretty clear that Vega FE is being pitted as a competitor of Titan Xp. The SPECViewperf numbers in AMD's own announcement compare these two cards.
  • I'm fine with the concept: it's both a gaming and "semi-pro" card. The "semi-" in pro because you get no certification, no long warranty, etc etc.
  • However, if Vega FE is compared to Titan Xp in compute, it's only fair to do the same for gaming. If I'm to choose between the two and I need both compute and gaming ability, I will have to compare the cards on both aspects.
  • It seems to me (just guessing) that even though 'the compute performance is there', the flip-side is that 'the gaming performance is not quite there'.
  • As a result, they're showing the card doing CAD work, but asking sites not to bench it for games.
My suspicion is that Vega with all its changes (NCU, HBCC, new geometry processors, etc) has resulted in extensive changes being needed on the software front. The gaming drivers are likely 'just not ready' and AMD still hopes it will be able to unlock considerably more performance.

They just don't want to put themselves into the same situation the RX480 was where launch-day drivers did a lot of injustice to the card's true potential.

Now, if Vega FE is within 15% to 20% of a Titan Xp in gaming and they hope to get another 10% from drivers, I can understand it.

But if Vega FE is like 30% slower in gaming, another 10% from drivers would just be saving them a bit of embarrassment.
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Getting more confusing by the day, I thought it was NOT a gaming card. AMD are trying to convince gamers to NOT buy the card.

But it’s so pretty…
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Why are supply/yield issues more believable than driver issues?

Considering this is a company who in the past has been slayed by everyone for releasing products before the drivers where ready. Just look at Ryzen launch reviews. Also Raja, did point to having difficulty coding the drivers.
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I think it's both those issues. The Timeline for HBM2 production from SK Hynix has been tracked since the original date for 2.0Gbps modules for Q3 2016.
Not a single Vega card listed and shown so far has 2.0Gbps HBM2, the Frontier Edition is 1.89Gbps.

That plus drivers could both the issues for delays.

Rezident said:
Getting more confusing by the day, I thought it was NOT a gaming card. AMD are trying to convince gamers to NOT buy the card.

But it’s so pretty…
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It's a Prosumer card. It's a jack of all trades. It's not a Radeon Pro, and it's not a Radeon RX gaming card. It has its own Hybrid drivers that allow you to switch between "Pro" mode and "Gaming" mode.

As mentioned on the previous page, Frontier Edition isn't supposed by Radeon Pro drivers, or Crimson Relive gaming drivers, it gets its own Hyrbid ones.

 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
Why are supply/yield issues more believable than driver issues?

Considering this is a company who in the past has been slayed by everyone for releasing products before the drivers where ready. Just look at Ryzen launch reviews.
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I never stated that they are more believable, they had just been "accepted" as the reason for any delays. Now that there's another rumour it has suddenly changed.
 
16GB of HBM2 does seem rather excessive for a pure gaming card - it does look something more akin to a Geforce Titan,and I suspect the normal "gamers version" will undercut this, have "only" 8GB of HBM2 and not be much different in performance.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
16GB of HBM2 does seem rather excessive for a pure gaming card - it does look something more akin to a Geforce Titan,and I suspect the normal "gamers version" will undercut this, have "only" 8GB of HBM2 and not be much different in performance.
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The Pure gaming card is getting 8GB according to Raja. When people asked about 16GB he responded with "we'll look at that"

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N19h7m4r3 said:
AMD are going full professional and semi-pro first it seems.

Instinct MI25
Frontier Edition

Now up coming Radeon Pro WX 9100, all before Radeon RX gaming :|
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I thought they did with the days of Fire GL cards? Or was I thinking of ATi...
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
AMD are going full professional and semi-pro first it seems.

Instinct MI25
Frontier Edition

Now up coming Radeon Pro WX 9100, all before Radeon RX gaming :|
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Makes sense for them, if they are having still optimising the gaming drivers and stocking up. The pro stuff will sell in lower numbers but for a lot more profit per unit.

They could probably release the RX cards now, but as you know, once reviews are out they do not get amended and if the results are not good enough, Vega will get a bad name and it will affect sales.
 
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