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Which RX Vega? Liquid cooled? Disaster...
Yes I got that, but they are not improving price for performance with Vega from what has been available for 12+ months and to be honest even Vega is only just about what one would call a 4K card, I mean it cannot even maintain 60fps in games it seems.
U w0t m8? Have you been following the thread?
I do not blame you one bit mate. In your position I would be doing the same thing. At least you gave AMD a chance. But they are taking the biscuit with their pricing for what Vega is. As I said, unless when reviews come out the card is magically better, then I find their pricing insulting personally.
A lot of people waited for Vega and what do we get for our wait? Not even an significant improvement on price for performance
I disagree. If they got pricing right, it would have easily been a success. Even if Nvidia dropped the price people who waited would have still been happy that AMD improved price for performance for everyone. Freesync owners would be very happy. Die hard fans like shankly would be happy, not disappointed, talking about die hard fans, AMD even managed to scare some of them away as I have not seen flopper in a long time. Lol
If the water cooled card was £499 I would be pre-ordering and signing AMD's praises right now instead of feeling let down and slating them. Price makes a huge difference to whether a card is perceived successful or not imo.
Don't always agree with what you say, but you got this one spot on
No not really no. Remember I had a 1070 and 1080 over the past year. My 1080 I purchased and sold for £375. One of the reasons I sold the 1080 was because it was quite a bit noisier than my 1070 was. So now why would I get a card that will be just as noisy if not more than my 1080 for a lot more money? I have nothing I am dying to play that needs the power, played everything. I just wanted some new tech to play with. But all the new tech Vega is brining is a bit pointless to own right now as it cannot even beat easily old Pascal tech which has been around for 12+ months.
I wanted the liquid cooled card which would keep noise down, but they are asking way too much for it. Would consider Vega 56, but by the time after market version of that comes out, I might as well just wait and buy Volta which will be a lot less noisier and be new tech worth owning.
It may not account for sufficient sales, but now AMD are now upsetting their fans and helping convert people who are really going out of their way to to give them a chance over to nvidia. A lot of people will see this now and thing sod this and go lock themselves into g-sync and AMD won't be able to get to them for a long long time.
FineWine tech is definitely one of the big plus's. Never know, if I manage to get a Vega on the cheap side in the future, might end up with one still. I am happy that it is finally nearly out, just disappointed with what it is bringing to the table.Fair enough man. If you think the 1080 was noisy then wait til Vega64 hits with the exact same coolers
I still quite like the look of these cards though, and am looking forward to the benchies. With a little luck they'll have nice and strong future API performance
And of course the FineWine tech inside
I would not say the 1080 was so noisy I couldn't take it or anything as it was no louder than my r9 290 I had before, but I had the 1070 for over 6 months and got spoilt with the acoustics of that. Then 1080 seemed very noisy, that is all. My current 7970 blower fan is noisier than the 1080 was if I ever play a game that makes it run at 100%. That is why when I do game currently, which is hardly at all as it is summer, I play old games, and lock it to 60fps and game without hearing the fans ramp up
Will keep an eye out for a sanely priced Fury I think to keep me going until Volta is out as this 7970 does not even support Freesync.
Surely most of us expected 1080 performance at 1080 prices? I don't see the price as a good or bad thing personally and it gives those who own Freesync screens an option to up the details. I don't feel AMD have done a bad thing here but of course it could be better (cheaper and less power hungry).
In other news, GoT was excellent
I expected better performance or lower price. I have Freesync and I do not fancy paying the prices they are asking for as they are way too late to the game and power hungry to demand such price. Had they released Vega at the start of year, pricing would have been decent. But not in Q3 2017 imo.
I will be waiting for all 10 episodes of GoT to come out like I usually do and binge watch it over the weekend with my partner
What... only 7. What the hellI understand where you are coming from and it is hard to not get sucked into hype but performance is where I was expecting and price is a little more than I hoped but HBM2 isn't cheap, so not surprised to see those prices in truth. Ohhh and if you are waiting for all 10 episodes of GoT, you will have a long wait, as this season there is only 7 episodes
Just had a look, the final season next year will also be 7 it seems. Better they keep the quality up than have filler episodes I suppose.
Yeah, I am disappointed with performance as I expected better from Vega. All that extra tech over Fury X and hardly any improvement. Feel as they missed the performance they would at least price it better. Seems HBM is screwing them again, Kaapstad will be happy.
Also all this talk of big vega and small vega over the past year, so far we are getting what seems like big vega, so what is there a smaller die based on Vega coming out? Maybe they looked at Vega performance and thought lets scrap small Vega.
So what are you going to do nashathedog? Buy late to the game power hungry Vega or soon to replaced Pascal?
You do realise Nvidia have had their card out 15 months ago which is a very long time in the tech world and on top of that they are a lot more power efficient? Price for performance has historically always improved over time. So yes, I stand by what I said.
What a disappointment. 15 months late to the party, and they can only equal a 1080 but with much worse power draw. I knew they were behind Nvidia but not this far
Exactly.
Seems you just want to see what you want to see. Point is one could have had this performance ages ago for the same price, not to mention on a card that runs more efficient. Vega came very late and did not improve price for performance like it should have. End of the day people complained Nvidia is milking us so people waited; over a year later now waiting those people will be rewarded by getting milked by AMD. lol.But arent you thinking that complitely backwards? Nvidia is selling you 15months old tech. Not only that, but they are selling it at premium price and taking a hell of a lot more winnings per gpu vs AMD. So basicly they are just cashing you out. To me atleast, that would be insulting.
Those are exactly the prices Vega should have been. It would have been praised by everyone that is not an Nvidia fanboy imo.
They probably have commitments and cannot afford to go break even and increase market share with Vega, but this will cost them to lose a lot of loyal customers imo.
LOLhttps://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/rxvega/
Yep the freesync bundle doesn't apply to the EU apparently ... AND THEY SHOWED OFF THEIR FREESYNC FEELS TEST IN BUDAPEST !!!!!
Talking about insulting... Defending a companies bottom line to insult a fellow gamer. Nice!That same Vega 10 chip is used in more lucrative segments, so there is no point selling it for loss to gamers. If someone is willing to trade freesync+amd to gsync+nvidia they are propably willing to trade it back if AMD gets something worthwile in gaming segment.
I understand what you are saying but saying Vega prices are "insulting" is complitely retarded. AMD cant sell those massive chips much cheaper because they would be making loss. Nvidia on the other hand is making nice profit out of you, while you are praising them.
Just noticed, a new user. Makes more sense now.
B12B6 can, he is even happy to insult you if that is what it takes. lol
Anyway, lets wait and see the official reviews before people get so emotional that they need to attack each other with insults
Whatever.Well its sad you dont read what I wrote to you. In no point did I insult you, I just called stupid thing you said stupid. When out of facts, play hurt or what ever they say
Errrmm.....nope. Not really.
Let's be honest here, both sets of fans will see and interpret what they want to see. Okay lets address your points :-
1) You couldn't have had the same performance ages ago for the same price.....simply because it wasn't the same price. The 1080 is a lot cheaper now than it was 15 months ago. In fact we all know that the 1080's were in the current 1080Ti price brackets (or there abouts) 15 months ago. Can't argue with the efficiency comment.
2) Vega (Just like Gandalf) turned up just when it said it would....it was only late if in relation to Pascal....not by anything AMD said. (please dont be petty about a month or so wait for AIB etc...as we all know there was a fair wait for 1080 AIB cards too - the Nvidia forum threads evidence that).
3) Nvidia milked (in the strongest sense of the word) their users over the 10 series cards (Founders Edition anyone). How can you say that AMD are now milking their fans by charging the same for brand new AMD tech (Dont forget there is 8GB of HBM2 in there....costly, yes) that Nvidia is charging for 15 month 'old' tech. That's hardly milking is it! In fact profit margins are probably going to be tight on the Vega cards.
Personally I wished Vega could have been a little better on performance (1080 Ti levels would have been nice), but with a few months of driver enhancements and optimisations we could still see it closer to the 1080Ti. Once again the same old stories and we go around the same old cycle of a gfx card launch....just like the Fiji launch (really aimed at the 980, not the 980 Ti) the Vega is aimed at the 1080 and is looking like it will narrowly beat it (Again it will be tit for tat depending on games) it was never aimed at the 1080Ti....however, once again Nvidia played the same old game and lets face it...we knew it was coming and so did AMD, so as I said a shame that it wasnt a little better out of the blocks and that the efficiency isnt better than it turned out to be. Hopefully it will be a little better if the rumour of the binned rasterizer/HBCC is true and we may get a little efficiency back when the features are brought into the next driver release (Apparently there are no Vega ID sets in 17.7.2).
I also think AMD have taken the less damaging option in the pricing. Lets be honest they didnt have too many options -
1) Price it $100 less than the 1080 and have Nvidia do a huge price drop, thus killing Vega at birth
2) Price it just about level and have Nvidia do no price drops and give Vega a fighting chance
With the cost of the HBM2 they do need to sell cards, so better to sell some rather than none at all.
1- 1080 has had it's price drop for quite a few months now. Also 1070 which the Vega 56 seemingly targets has around the same price since launch.
2- It is late, first they said Q2, did not happen, but okay lets say they managed to FE out, so that is fine. But then they said it would launch at SIGGRAPH (Lise Su said this and they made slide showing this at computex) and again they did not launch. So yes, they are late. They are late also because this performance and even greater have been available for ages by their competition.
3- Saying AMD are milking us with Vega maybe harsh I agree. But money is money and performance is performance at the end of the day.
It does seem like they went with a pricing where they will probably still sell what they are able to produce at this moment and as you say less damaging for them as Nvidia can easily cut prices. But it does no good for their image imo. You will see quite a few people here who usually always stick with AMD moving over to Nvidia now as they feel let down both by price and performance.
We will have to wait and see what the UK prices will be to say for sure really. Plus AIB cards will be more expensive as I understand it anyway, so they may not end up cheaper than a 1080 after all.
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Good point, you just jogged my memory, as I recall the clown version was even cheaper yet.
At that resolution probably a Vega 56 would get you to 75fps I would imagine. So I would consider that.
As disappointing as Vega is right now. Wait for reviews before making any decisions I say.
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