Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[TNA]

Am I the only one here who doesnt care about gsync, freesync, hdr, 4k ?

I dont game on a sofa far from my screen, just hate that type of experience.
I have used HDR for a decade already in pc gaming, it is not new like sony and co are trying to make out. Its been around since the early 80s.
gsync and freesync are only useful if you have a framerate different to your refresh rate multiplier. The question is why are people playing in such a way? I play at either 30fps or 60fps on a 60hz screen.
I think pixel count is a false economy, it does wonders for slowing gpu's down, but not that great for improving image quality. As resolutions get higher and higher, you hit a point of diminishing returns, I only got a 1440p monitor for desktop real estate, the fact I game at 1440p is only for that reason now. I have noticed no visual improvement over my previous 1050p resolution, however things like lighting affects, sggssaa, tessellation et. "do" make a meaningful difference to visuals. I always prefer lower resolution with max graphics settings vs higher resolution with things turned down.

So to me buying a slower hotter, more power hungry card just so I can use freesync sounds barmy.

Class yourself lucky that you do not see the difference in resolution. I see a very big difference and have on two occasions tried to go back and to 1080p and 1440p could not do it. I see massive difference in graphics from 1080p to 2160p, it is obviously smaller with 1440p, yet I still clearly see it. To describe the difference, it is like putting your glasses on. My eye sight is not 20/20, but good enough that I do not need them to drive legally so I do not bother as I cannot stand contacts and do not enjoy having glasses on. But when I do put my glasses on suddenly everything becomes sharper and more clear. That is what going from 1440p to 2160p looks to me like, so much sharper and better. So false economy for you maybe, but not for everyone

To be fair though I have noticed some games there is a much bigger difference than others. Take Tekken 7 for example, I do not see much difference in the way it looks on 4K to 1080p playing on my TV, yet a big difference in amount of GPU horse power needed. Yet a game like Fifa 17 or Witcher 3 I see a huge difference.

 

[TNA]

W00t, not long left now. I really hope they improve price for performance, otherwise it will be another damp squib show for AMD. They need another Ryzen like showing!

 

[TNA]

Not surprised about there being no live stream as there have been no details about it. Crazy though. Really hope they do not mess this launch up, which is looking more likely by the minute

 

[TNA]

My God these cards are massive!!?? What the hell happened to HBM cards not needing so much pcb space???

I get the feeling it could be a marketing thing as maybe they got feedback that showed people preferred bigger cards. But no doubt eventually there will be a small variants or a nano also where they will charge a premium for.

It's just an announcement not a launch. :/ We'll probably just get to see specs/slides and no real benchmarks done by reputable objective sites.

So launch is when then, H1 2018?

We have not even had Gibbo giving us a wink so I suppose it is over a week away yet.

 

[TNA]

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5457057&postcount=1840

"AMD Radeon RX Vega: $499
AMD Radeon RX Vega Limited Edition Model: $549
AMD Radeon RX Vega Liquid Cooler Model: $599
AMD Radeon RX Vega Liquid Cooler Limited Edition Model: $649


Source: Newegg https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ega&Submit=ENE

Update: they remove it"

Unless they are beating 1080 at everything and close to 1080ti, then it seems $100 too much. But we will see.

$599 will mean £575 at the cheapest. But Gibbo can be greedy so if stocks are low he will charge £599 at the least. It would need to beat the 1080Ti in at least AMD games for me to pay that personally.

 

[TNA]

If it's half between both cards it might make more sense especially since £599 would be for a water cooled card and water cooled GTX1080 cards are not cheap IIRC.

But dude, AMD need to be coming in improving price for performance, not giving us more of the same. Otherwise they are no better than nvidia in that regard and happy take their customers from behind. People laugh at Nvidia saying they are milking us and get the lube ready, if AMD charge the same price as them months even over a year after Pascal then it is hugely disappointing.

 

[TNA]

Damn it, all back on the hype train. Loved the look of that cube and I want one

Haha, yeah. I like the cube also.

Back on the hype train everyone! AMD might yet live up to my expectations yet

 

[TNA]

Lmfao here at that cube, what a ******* gimmick, i bet that puts the price at TXp levels, ******* hilarious!

I like the cube

But it is no replacement for price for performance which is what matters.

Simple.
a)Nvidia doesn't support pass through the GPU over the Linux to Windows 10 VM. AMD does it without any performance hit, especially on Ryzen systems.

b) is an upgrade over the FuryX.

c) Pascal is nothing more than a tweaked Maxwell, similarly to Kabylake being a tweaked Skylake. Vega is new tech, bringing Infinity Fabric into the system and a lot of more new techs.

I completely agree, but what good is new tech if it does not bring the performance? With all the tech Vega is brining, one would expect it beat the 1080Ti easily, but that is doubtful.

The good thing is, if they price it well, I can see Vega gaining a lot of performance over time which will then be free performance as new games are making use of the new tech vega brings.

 

[TNA]

If the water cooled one ends up requiring lube, at $399 I might be interested in a Vega 56, if it can be between 1070 and 1080 performance. It will give me a new toy to play with until Navi and I can make use of my Freesync monitor.

$399 means it should be around £375 as the pound is getting stronger against the dollar now

 

[TNA]

AMD masters of disappointing their fanbase.

Honestly +1 to this the past few years!

 

[TNA]

Updated the OP with some new info, will add more tomorrow once we hopefully get a lot more official information

 

[TNA]

Btw i wonder whose brilliant idea was to put 980ti instead of 1070 lol That thing actually made things look even worse. Seriously on gpu side every department equally sucks

They are clearly comparing their last and current gen vs the competition. Don't see the problem.

The real problem is unless performance is magically much better across the board, they are majorly late, a lot less efficient and taking the biscuit with their pricing. Very disappointing. The only thing they got going for them is Freesync to be honest.

Might consider the Vega 56 as long as it can beat the 1070 at everything with ease for that price.

 

[TNA]

Abysmal to say the least. At least now we know what the big push being freesync was in the demos. And no availability til an unspecified time in September? Just laughably bad to say the least.

Radeon technologies group, giving you last years performance today.

Yeah. Very sad. They cannot even bring 12+ month performance today and they want $600-700? Having a laugh. Nearly as bad as Nvidia they are becoming. At least when nvidia milk us we get good performance cards a year earlier....

Just hope a miracle happens and drivers somehow improve performance or prices are cheaper otherwise it will be epic fail.

 

[TNA]

Ok I am having some doubts regarding the slides, this one just doesn't ring right (30mm fan really ? Solid "metal" ? 240 grit ?? ) :

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...eon-RX-Vega-64-Limited-Edition_Official_1.png

And they are saying that SEP, means single exit price, but "single exit price" has a very specific meaning if you google it, and nothing to do with this context

This is AMD Marketing we are talking about, if the slides make no sense, then they are likely real.

 

[TNA]

And only couple of months ago they said launch at SIGGRAPH. Now it has been pushed back more to September. I would not even mind if price for performance was any good...

 

[TNA]

They are Real D.P said so

Am calling Fake, Will happy hold my hand up and say I was wrong if these turn out to be true. They look like rubbish.

Slider are real mate... You are wrong, AMD let you down again, even with slides

http://techreport.com/review/32320/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-rx-vega-56-graphics-cards-revealed

 

[TNA]

No wonder no live stream, Vega sucks.

Pretty much. Not even sure I want the Vega 56 at this point, will have to see the reviews.

It's actually worse than I thought it could be! I'm stunned by it.

Same here. How they ended up with this using 14nm, HBM2 and 12+ months and ended up with this is shocking.

Then I stand corrected, but what I do defend myself with his not using these sites as official statement like D.P said. Because these are not official statements.

It is D.P, don't take him too seriously

But honestly it is sad how bad AMD have done with Vega, they are so rubbish that they even had you believing those slides were fakes.

The full set of slides show they're really pushing the "experience" rather than performance. There's no performance hype which is telling.

Yea

 

[TNA]

The good news for people only looking to buy now and in the near future is Fresync and the fact that Vega will have support and driver improvements for years to come. Whereas 1070/80 will likely get no more driver improvements. So if buying now, Vega may even make more sense, but if you have been waiting for over a year for Vega, it is a major let down.

Soon with Volta coming and Vega will be a joke.

Who is now skipping Vega and waiting for Navi?

 

[TNA]

My big issue here is I only want the Watercooled Version but Price is a bit worry for me atm. Min FPS for me isn't really an issue has I the type of gamer that will happy game at High settings.

I wanted the water cooled version also, but no way is it worth what they are asking for it. It needed to be £499 at most.

So much for bringing 4K gaming price down, maybe Raja was talking about Navi? Lol

Question is shanks, will you be joining the nvidia guys by sliding your pants down, lubing up and getting ready to be taken from behind? Lol

 

[TNA]

Never haaa I be still Buying Vega, true story I already promised my little bro he can have this 290.. Was really hoping under £500 now I thinking buying the Air cooled version and hope Corsair release the HG10 or something for Vega. After make these choice when price is defo confirmed £££

Cool story bro

This is sad/disappointing for tech enthusiasts, but it's sad/pathetic for AMD.

+1

potato vega livestream: https://www.pscp.tv/OptimistechR/1djGXLmbXaNGZ

Everyone except maybe a handful have lost interest at this point.