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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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nomadd said:
And yet the lifespan of a "current" console is still probably twice that of a "current" graphics card. And with substantially less depreciation.

..Cue those who will now tell us they "buy and sell at the right time" and upgrading their cards cost only 10p per generation. :)

(Happy 970 owner, btw. And the upgrade from my 570 cost more than 10p. :))
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From experience Nvidia cards hold their value.
 
Nexus18 said:
Overall Graphics Board Shipments Down 29.8%

Not surprised at all and also desktop PCs on a massive decline?

Can't say I'm surprised, called it years ago and I predict that things will only get worse, prices across the PC sector will only get higher with less and less people upgrading/buying said items.
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I don't think that is correct. I'm sure Gibbo has said on more than one occasion that discrete graphics card sales have been really good, even record breaking at times. It's probably a case of plateauing.
 
Gregster said:
Not sure if we are reading the same thread/s? Your post comes across as a little weird if I am honest and not sure what you are even going on about? If you look at the show times to launch, I can personally see why people (AMD fans included) are disappointed in this launch and some have thrown in the towel and purchased a 1080Ti/1080 etc. We first had Vega shown in December and frames were very good in the 2 titles that were shown (Doom and BF1), it matched and beat the 1080 in those games iirc and roll on 2 shows later and 6 months, still nothing from AMD in terms of purchase ability. Lots of folks and me included were expecting to see consumer Vega at Computex and purchasing what appeared to be a decent card very soon after.... It didn't happen and hence why people are deflated. Insinuating that people walk up to a bridge and don't jump is weed smoking posts lol and absolutely no relevance to buying a GPU.
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Mate, these threads about Vega are full of drama about AMD this and AMD that.

Now, you may be the type to hold their hands, and pop in every now and then to 'offer condolences' saying you want AMD to do well and all that, but you're just encouraging what I find lame bickering and bad form.

I admitted before I'm not one to empathise and pat these people on their backs.

These threads end up having huge intervals that are less about Vega and more about hand holding while waiting for Vega.
 
Nexus18 said:
Not surprised at all and also desktop PCs on a massive decline?

Can't say I'm surprised, called it years ago and I predict that things will only get worse, prices across the PC sector will only get higher with less and less people upgrading/buying said items.
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Nah Q1 is always down on sales, because it's after the holiday period of Q4 where the most sales of the year usually happen.
 
old gamer said:
Not as funny as it sounds, how can they get any market share with nothing to go up against the 1070/80/ti and titan
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AMD appears to be selling tons of cards to miners and used card prices seem to be very high on auction sites. These cards are out of stock everywhere. Do the analysts take these into account?
 
five8five said:
I don't think that is correct. I'm sure Gibbo has said on more than one occasion that discrete graphics card sales have been really good, even record breaking at times. It's probably a case of plateauing.
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I would take what "sales people" say with a pinch of salt.

Regardless of those stats, personally, I've seen more and more people jumping ship in the last year or so than ever before due to all the mentioned issues with PC gaming nowadays and the sad thing is, can you really blame people for doing it?

The manufacturers of hardware and retailers haven't helped matters at all either i.e. take the monitor market:

- no real progress other than higher resolution and faster refresh rate, the recently announced HDR FALD monitors is the first in a long time where IQ improvements are finally being pushed forward with (outside of the laughable prices) but it will be a long time until monitors match TV in terms of the performance/quality to price again, if ever....
- QC is non-existent and as a result due to all the returns for backlight bleed etc. issues, retailers/manufacturers decide to stick the prices up all round to cover any CCR restocking fees

Gibbo said:
Backlight bleed within reason like dead pixels is not a fault, so I guess it depends how they are feeling, LOL. Of course CCR can be used but legally if they believe it is used and cannot be resold they can essentially charge you a restocking fee (upto 25%).

I suspect the monitor price increases at etailers across the board is coming from increased returns on CCR due to backlight bleed, some people have good reason, the bleed is beyond acceptable, others returning for IPS glow and doing it several times over.

We keep CCR restocking charges to an absolute minimum, but it means we end up with a huge amount of B-grade monitors sold a big losses to the company, so we either increase upfront margin to cover it or we start implementing more CCR restocking fees.

On another note we have also applied huge pressure on certain manufacturers to start taking returns on monitors for excessive bleed so the retailer is not the ones getting stung.
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And as a result of that retarded move (well for profit/business wise, not retarded, at least for short term....), even less people buy monitors.

PC gaming won't ever go away but I do think it is on the road to becoming an extreme enthusiast platform only.
 
chaosophy said:
I took the hint that you and the vocal consensus seem to want and expect a different level of discussion from this forum than myself and that rules here seem to be pretty lax around that. But how about you stick to what you said and let it go and do me the favour of leaving me out of it. Thanks.
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Heh. Fair enough.
 
Howling said:
Hard to agree with that when virtually all metrics show the PC gaming market expanding.
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I've seen those articles where they say PC gaming is growing faster and generating more income than consoles and similar claims but when you look further into it, iirc, is the main source of income not coming from competitive/esports and free to play games such as overwatch, CS:GO and LOL? If I am right (can't remember the games as the last article I saw was ages ago) then that may be the case for those types of games but for your standard casual/triple a type of games then PC gaming isn't that good and probably on the decline for this area of gaming.

Also, this is where if the PC gaming was expanding drastically across the board then surely PC developers/publishers would be doing a lot better of a job for the PC and prioritizing it a bit more instead of releasing broken titles on release day and patching it months later?

Chuk_Chuk said:
What does CCR stand for, couldn't find anything on google
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Consumer Contracts Regulations.

It replaced the DSR law aka Distance Selling Regulations.
 
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Judging by AMD's computex video of 2 x Vega GPU's just about running 4K in Prey 2 I'm guessing it's going to be a little bit of a letdown considering 1 x 1080 Ti can happily do 4K in Prey 2 max settings with an average of 70'ish FPS.
 
Dicehunter said:
Judging by AMD's computex video of 2 x Vega GPU's just about running 4K in Prey 2 I'm guessing it's going to be a little bit of a letdown considering 1 x 1080 Ti can happily do 4K in Prey 2 max settings with an average of 70'ish FPS.
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Previous vega demos of Doom and Sniper Elite 4 achieve around 70 fps. SE4 is a bit more demanding than Prey on most cards so I'd expect a single vega to run Prey at least as well as SE4.

 
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Howling said:
"just about" ? Elaborate further please.
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It was from a Typo Raja made on Twitter, probably mobile auto correct. He corrected it soon after stating the system ram "above" 60, and comfortably above *any* single GPU.

The demos were also run on the Frontier Editions.
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N19h7m4r3 said:
It was from a Typo Raja made on Twitter, probably mobile auto correct. He corrected it soon after stating the system ram "above" 60, and comfortably above *any* single GPU.

The demos were also run on the Frontier Editions.
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What demos? The Prey demo was on two RX's.

Auto correct does not confuse above and about, not on my phone.

It bloody should run comfortably over any single GPU as they were running two of them.
 
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