Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[TNA]

Why'd you become Captain Sensible all of a sudden?

lol

 

[TNA]

RX Vega's the gaming Vega where did you get a 3rd of July date from?

From his backside probably

 

[TNA]

Non gaming Vega card smashing the titanXp, gaming Vega will destroy the Nvidia flagship. AMD are back on all fronts.

Lol, was not you the last time you posted hoping AMD would die?

 

[TNA]

No gaming benches yet?

Someone let me know when there is so I put it on the front page.

 

[TNA]

AMD are going full professional and semi-pro first it seems.

Instinct MI25
Frontier Edition

Now up coming Radeon Pro WX 9100, all before Radeon RX gaming :|

Makes sense for them, if they are having still optimising the gaming drivers and stocking up. The pro stuff will sell in lower numbers but for a lot more profit per unit.

They could probably release the RX cards now, but as you know, once reviews are out they do not get amended and if the results are not good enough, Vega will get a bad name and it will affect sales.

 

[TNA]

More Vega talk, less Nvidia please

 

[TNA]

Would people be happy with 1080 performance at 1080 prices out of curiosity?

Nope. That would be fail after being one year late and on top of that more power hungry. It needs to bring that level of performance for £400 or less.

Also like I have been saying for a year now, it also needs to bring Titan XP performance for £500-600.

 

[TNA]

Judging from what we've seen thus far it seem Vega is either a horrible flop with drastically reduced IPC over Fiji, or there's something else going on.

It's hard to imagine Vega is barely above 1070 aka a 980Ti, with a nearly 30%-55% clock speed boost over a Fury X. A die shrunk Fiji from 28nm to 14nm should be faster.

This is the issue with not sampling well known and respected reviewers with the cards. Now we're getting average joes get ting their hands on it putting out numbers.

If it turns out to be a major flop, I will just wait for Volta. I actually do no mind buying it even if it is not as power efficient as Pascal as long as it brings at least 1080 performance for under £400. Pricing will be key, if they mess that up then I will likely not buy it.

 

[TNA]

Something is really up, an overclocked Fury X on normal "stock" cooling is beating the Frontier Edition that's at 1600mhz

How the hell does Vega at 1600Mhz lose to Fiji at 1125Mhz

Well end of the day this is not the gaming card or the proper drivers. No point getting all worked up until proper reviews come out in August. I will reserve judgement until then.

 

[TNA]

Just ignore all the rumours. Look at the rumours of the RX 480, so much fake news. Once the real reviews come out, then we can say AMD is doomed if they fail. Pointless reading too much into the Vega FE results imo.

 

[TNA]

I wonder if you'd be saying that if it was smashing the Ti

Well that would obviously be different then would it not? Point is RX Vega is meant to be better at gaming, plus drivers will only get better in the next 4-5 weeks.

If it does not then it will be fail. Going all the way from 28nm to 14nm and if they cannot at least bring 1080 performance it will be mega fail. Even if so, does not mean it is the end for RTG, Navi is meant to be the first architecture Raja worked on from the start since he joined AMD, so I would still look forward to that, but in the mean time nothing stopping me from rocking a Volta (which is meant to bring a huge jump in performance) while waiting

 

[TNA]

not a rumour, this is someone with vega FE showing game footage and benchmarks.

vega FE is the same as rx vega, same silicone just half the memory.

take it as the titan x Pascal and 1080ti, it might get slightly better (5% ) performance from AIB cooling, but it wasn't thermal throttling as it was at 81c with 4400rpm fan speed.

if I cranked the oem blower on my titan to 100% it would boost up to 2ghz, aib cooling might net 5% more out of it but most of it is for noise levels.

We will see. I do not buy that RX Vega won't be able to beat a 1080. Drivers can make a big difference.

 

[TNA]

I really wouldn't put too much stock into that chaps testing methodology. And he is testing a workstation card. I implore you guys waiting to ignore those benches and wait for the official gaming card. No disrespect to the guy who done the tests but he clearly isn't the right guy for it and you really need to make sure that background processes are at the bare minimum, the PC is running well (I personally would never use a 550W PSU for benches but at the same point, it would either work or wouldn't, so it appears that it was suitable for it), make sure the RAM speed and timings are running efficiently and the same for the CPU.

In a nutshell, ignore his tests and wait for proper review tests or better still, wait for the gaming card reviews!

Yep, this is what I am saying also. Until RX Vega reviews come out in August with proper drivers and reviews, I will not take notice of any results.

Drivers can make a big difference in performance and price can make a big difference in whether a card is seen as a fail or not.

 

[TNA]

AMD have had 9 months or more to working on drivers. I don't really see what 1 more month will do.

Be that as it may. It makes no sense to me to get all wound up about the FE results unless it is the FE card you are intending to buy. I would rather ignore it all and wait to see proper reviews for the card I am actually interested in buying.

If RX Vega is disappointing in both price and performance, then they won't get our money, simples.

 

[TNA]

Why are most you guys getting on the hate wagon so fast based on Gaming? We was clearly told not to Judge FE Vega for Gaming and to wait for RX Vega and then we should on a gaming leave have the right to rip Vega apart for the good or bad.
FE isn't just for gaming and its main focus isn't gaming either yet has I skip though this thread to see only it get torn a new one based on just gaming? Lool

Dunno. Some have agenda's, other love to hate maybe

 

[TNA]

This...
Its a card for creation and then testing them, optimising them.. It isn't a Gaming GPU and it shouldn't be compared for Gaming only but tested for what it's designed to do has a complete package. So meny people this day and age are so fast to ignore what they clearly been told and jump on the hate wagon. We all here for gaming performance "Well Most I would expect"
So why don't we just wait for RX Vega?

Yeah, but then what will those with an agenda and those who love to hate do? What you are asking is not exactly fair on them, is it now?

 

[TNA]

I definitely think there is some performance missing,I just have a hard time believing its drivers.



However, here is an anecdote. Intel designed a new processor called the Itanium. From a theoretical point of view the architecture is massive leap beyond the ancient X86 ISA we are stuck with. The problem is it is incredibly difficult to get the actual theoretical performance out of it. The software is too complex to make use of the hardware. So maybe AMD tried some big changes without thinking about the software side.

Could be. It all sounds to me like they are struggling with drivers. They have had a long time however. Let us hope they have it in shape for August, otherwise judging already by the way people are responding here now, they will be the laughing stock here.

My stance is, I want to see AMD succeed so we all benefit, so I am happy to buy an RX Vega even if it is around ~1080 performance (even though I have had a 1080 and sold it) as long as they do not take the **** with the price and keep it under £400. Bear in mind I do have Freesync monitor also, so that is another reason.

Plus it seems likely driver performance would improve by quite a bit over time which is good as I get free performance that way as the card would likely end up in my second rig eventually once Navi hits.

Saying all that, if AMD fail to improve on price for performance, I will just buy Volta instead. I really liked my 1070, so no problem getting the 2000 series Volta version of it if AMD do not deliver. But I would rather AMD deliver now.

 

[TNA]

i have just one question about Vega FE, where is the " it's got a soul...it's got a brain...it's almost human " package, is that reserved to RX or did they ditch the idea altogether ?

lol

 

[TNA]

Ryan estimated a 10-15% increase with newer drivers, but that's it; the current driver already has tiled-based rendering and hbcc. He also spoke with AMD on the phone and they apparently thought the results were OK. So don't get your hopes up.

That would be very sad if true. I cannot understand how 3 years, 28 to 14nm, new architecture and hbm 2 = ~20% improvement over their previous best card. Wtf...

 

[TNA]

If NVIDIA really want to kill Vega all they gotta do is cut the prices on their 1080 and the 1080ti and its over. We are nearing Volta release anyway

Yep. If they cannot at the very least bring 1080 performance for under £400, I will be buying a Volta instead.