Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[TNA]

Yea. At £500+ it better beat the 1080 at every game, be close to the 1080Ti in the rest and match or beat it at AMD optimised games like Doom. If not then it will not sell well at all. At this point 1080 performance needs to be no more than £400 if AMD want to be distributive and sell well imo.

 

[TNA]

What makes you say Gsync is better than Freesync?

G-Sync having better ranges probably. That is the only difference these days. His huge ultrawide LG had very poor Freesync range.

 

[TNA]

Had an MG279Q too. Forget I said anything, I'll leave you to your own devices

Well I had G-Sync and got Freesync now. As long as I stay in range, there is zero difference. That has been my experience, hence my reply

Am cool with freesync monitor having all different ranges it keeps the price down for people that might not need high refresh rates and higher prices.

I could easy get by using something like 48/60hz just vsync the game keeping Freesync always working and adjusting graphics settings to always remain inside 50/60fps
Smooth gaming.

This is exactly what I do. Most games I play 60fps so it makes no difference whether I am on G-Sync or Freesync.

Is there any indication of what the specs for gaming level Volta cards are? Is there any indication that they will be released this year? You can pay US$150,000 for a workstation using Volta GPUs (although I don't know if they're actually shipping yet), but that doesn't mean much to anyone looking for a graphics card to game on, since those don't exist and won't have the same specs anyway. nVidia aren't even talking about Volta for gaming yet.

It's always possible to wait for the next generation...and then wait for the next generation...and then wait for the next generation.

My understanding is Votla will bring a big jump in performance.

If one is dying for an upgrade and cannot wait they should get a card now sure. But I believe there are sweet spots in time where you get most bang for buck for upgrading. It is usually at the start of a new graphics card where you either get the old card super cheap second hand or you get the new card that has come out and enjoy it for a long time as you got it at the start of is life cycle. If you get it a GPU 3/4 through it's life cycle for the same price as release, it is not exactly optimum if you care for such a thing.

I got a 1070 at the start of it's life cycle for less then they cost now and enjoyed it for ages. Now I have played everything I want to on that and a 1080 I had for a while. Want something new now.

One thing I will say is, sure you do not have to wait, just don't do what some others did when they purchased a 980Ti and then less than a month later 1080 came out and they were crying due to listening to the guy that said buy now, not worth waiting as you will always be left waiting as there is always a new card. Not suggesting Volta is coming out next month btw.

End of the day though, each to their own, everyone's needs are different and if buying now gives you the maximum happiness then that is what you should do

Old news or not doesn't mean anything except for the cheaper cards, 980Ti still gives quite punchy performance. 1080Ti will be the same.. Just depends if you wanna spend that much

It's just that the "cheaper" cards are now quite a bit more expensive than they used to be.

Yep. Never argued otherwise

 

[TNA]

So no, there is no indication of what the specs of Volta gaming cards will be.

Many people had the understanding that Vega would be better than a 1080ti.



I agree with that, but...



...there's no indication that Volta for gaming cards is coming out this year. Not even rumours that it might happen. The rumours are a release early next year. Maybe. With unknown specs at an unknown price. It's reasonable to assume that nVidia will probably bring out a very similar range of models as in the 10x0 series with a more than trivial improvement in each model. They could do that and they know that's a successful approach, so they probably will. But what specs, what prices, what dates? Maybe it'll be 6 months. Or 8 months. Or 10 months. It's not like they're having trouble selling 10x0 cards at relatively high prices and yields must be superb after this much time to refine things. So they don't have an urgent need to hurry. Not unless AMD suddenly find Vega 2 down the back of a sofa and it's much better than Vega or AMD sell Vega cards at £300.

By the time Volta gaming cards are out, the rumour mill/hype train for Navi will be well underway, so maybe wait for Navi. The last shown roadmap put Navi at H1 2018, after all. Maybe not very much after Volta for gaming cards.



Heavily modded FO4 with practically infinite settlement budget...my 7950 is not up to the job. Not by a long chalk. I wasn't in the market for a new card when the 10x0 cards came out and I've been waiting for Vega since I was in the market. Now Vega is out and it's mediocre. Waiting another 6, 8, 10 months to buy at the beginning of the next new cycle while using hardware that's way under par for playing the game I like most in the way I want to play it isn't appealing. I think you're right that close to the beginning of a card cycle is usually the sweet spot for buying, but it's too far away right now for me with my 10-15fps FO4 settlements. I could make much simpler settlements, but I want to play with elaborate settlements. That's the toy I want to play with and that's the toy I'm willing to pay another £350 for. Which sounds nuts to me. I've never paid more than £200 for a graphics card and in the past that was fine (especially if you bought 2nd hand - IIRC this 7950 cost me £100) but today it's not. It took me a while to talk myself into it even though I'm no longer seriously poor. Being careful with money is what stopped me being seriously poor and I take care to keep that habit.

Well thanks for taking the time to justify to us your decision to purchase 1070

I do understand what you are saying. Still think RX Vega will better than you think though. We will soon see

 

[TNA]

This man is like a Vulkan...logic is his language.

Illogical!

 

[TNA]

lol

Come on TNA, I made the logical choice and went Nvidia lol!

My mind to your mind, my thoughts to your thoughts...

I can sense your desire to own Vega, you are suppressing your emotions. You are human, it is illogical to not to follow your emotions. You must immediately rid yourself of your nvidia hardware and prepare yourself for Vega which will set you free!

 

[TNA]

You shall and always will be....my friend....as long as you ditch this mentality LOL

Lets see what happens, we both been in the game long enough.

Haha. Yeah.

If AMD fail with Vega, I will soon be back to Nvidia anyway when Volta arrives

 

[TNA]

I know it's not quite the same, but just remember how much AMD have managed to completely undercut Intel on the cpu side. Here's hoping it's somehow possible in the gpu section too.

*edit* It's also possibly worth remembering that the 970 > 1070 price jump was over £100 at launch, the 980 >1080 price jump was over £150 and the 980ti > 1080ti was about £200. There may be some milking involved in those prices .

Most of that was due to currency changes. If you want to really see how much it went up, you need to do a dollar for dollar comparison to be fair.

One thing we have to remember on performance is the following, according to nvidia Pascal took several billion to develop, amd would probably be lucky if a quarter of that was knocking around to develop their gpu's.

Trouble is, people when buying won't care about any of that. They will look at price and performance. Most will actually not even go that far, if it don't have a GeForce badge, they won't even buy.

 

[TNA]

I can't see them doing 1070 prices, as even their 580s are not that low

That is the retailers fault, not AMD.

 

[TNA]

Gamers just don't buy AMD.



http://wccftech.com/steam-hardware-survey-2017-nvidia-amd-intel-gpu-cpu/

Good for them. Won't make a difference to my decision. All AMD need to do is price it right and I and many others here will buy happily

Price it wrong and Volta it will be.

The last time Steam gave me the survey was when I had a GTX 980 years ago. :/

Anyone know the frequency at which the survey is sent out?

Not filled one in many years.

 

[TNA]

I do not believe that they will be cheap not at 1070 msrp, maybe 1080 msrp, I remember hearing a dude during the Financial Analyst day mention something like "AMD are too cheap and that that has to change", take that as you will, but that could indicate that they are intending on taking a different route when it comes to pricing. And yeah big die+hbm2

Well if that is the case I will be waiting for Volta. No way am I going to pay silly money for 15 month old performance that is a lot less efficient. They either need to bring the performance and charge for it, or charge less. Simple as that.

 

[TNA]

our fieriest additions to the cutting-edge Radeon™ “Vega” architecture

Cutting edge eh? I hope so

I predicted TitanXP/1080Ti level of performance for top Vega about a year ago now, but that does not look like it is happening on release. Though with their fine wine tech it maybe true in 2-3 years time

As long it it is priced for the performance it gives today, then I am happy, as the fine wine part then becomes free performance in the future.

 

[TNA]

If what I was told and saw demoed some 6 months ago at an AMD event is true it should be there or there about. We may yet be pleasantly surprised.

I get the feeling it will be, but only on AMD optimised game like Doom

Me neither, but 60-80fps @ 1440p on highest settings is my main goal. 144fps in some games would be a nice bonus .

I am happy with 60fps at 4K. I hardly need AA and tend to turn off a bunch of other settings I find useless like DoF, motion blur, chromatic aberration etc which then frees up a bunch of fps.

 

[TNA]

Remember guys Vega is just a graphics card.

Yea, no big deal right, why worry about it when you can just buy 4 every time a new one comes out

 

[TNA]

If performance is a requirement, why wouldn't you?

One big one, money.

If money was not an issue I would like a Lambo also. But alas one must prioritise things, graphics cards are nice, but not exactly on the top of my list

Besides my post was just a joke for Kaapstad who usually always buys 4 of every new top end card, he even purchased 4 RX 480's which were not even top end cards

 

[TNA]

if you cant help yourself we will help you instead.

Hahahaha, I like that one

 

[TNA]

So just wait for the RX variant of the card before letting your emotions take over your reasoning.

Can I get an amen?

That is what I am doing, waiting to see price and performance. They may come out smelling like roses yet if they price it right.

 

[TNA]

Personally I am not that interest on the performance. The perf going to be much better than the FuryX, that's guaranteed.
What I am interested to know is, how the card cache will be used on the Ryzen CPUs and how IF (Infinity Fabric) will work over multiple graphic devices along side a Ryzen CPU.

I am most interested in knowing the price. That will probably be the make or break thing for Vega in my opinion.

 

[TNA]

'I Just Want To Game'
Then grab the drivers here, and switch to gaming mode.

That is them saying, if all you do is gaming, and nothing else, then yes, you can use the FE for that, so yes, the FE is solely a gaming card.

As i said before, if its not, then why say that, why not what Raj said.

'I Just Want To Game'
If you just want to game, then we suggest waiting for the RX Vega, which we will be launching at Siggraph etc... etc....

Give it a rest Loadsa, we get the picture

Chill until RX Vega is out. If they fail, then you can have at it

Honestly, if they cannot get at least minimum 1080 performance, it is going to be very disappointing. I am still expecting between 1080 and 1080Ti performance depending on the game. More importantly though, the price better be good as they are mega late!

 

[TNA]

I know Adored TV gets a bad rap around here for been completely AMD biased, but that video seems pretty balanced and I agree with most of his conclusions. Vega will be somewhere between the 1080 and the 1080ti. It will probably get close to the 1080ti in games using Dx12 and Vulkan and close the gap in Dx11 over a period of time. I don't think it will take a year like Adored TV says, maybe a couple of months. AMD have been improving a lot lately in getting out performance drivers quicker.

Three things will decide if this is a success.

1. The price: Will they price it aggressively, based on it's performance, the fact that's it's coming late to the party and the current price of the 1080 cards, or will they just price it based on what it cost them to make with their margin on top? I don't know how much it costs to make a GPU but people keep saying HBM2 is expensive. Can they really sell the card at a price that will shake up the market? Of course the mining craze is going to muddy the waters as the 580 prices are really high at the moment.

2. Overclocking: It doesn't have to be an amazing overclocker, but, it would be nice if it saw even modest gains from overclocking.

3. Drivers: Have solid launch drivers.

I wonder will there be an AIO version as well as an air cooled version?

+1

I would love to buy the AIO version as long as they do not price it silly.