Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[N19h7m4r3]

A real shame. Only showing a dual card running Prey and not even showing it well (massive tearing). What this tells me is the single card isn't very good and they are either holding it back to try and eek out more performance or they know they have a card that isn't very good and the only way to make it look better is to dual it. Anyone wanting to go Crossfire or SLI in today's games will be disappointed with the lack of support. I am genuinely gutted for those that have waited and sat on the fence to buy Vega.

Eh, a Fury X at 4K already gets 43FPS in 4K at Very High settings in Prey.
Can't be slower than that. :/

I'm still of mind that HBM2 and SK Hynix screwed AMD. They publicly stated HBM2 2.0Gbps mass production for Q3 2016, and now they only show 1.6Gbps for Q2 2017.

If only AMD had the money to have designed an HBM2 version for enterprise and GDDR5X for consumer like NVIDIA does.

 

[Gregster]

There was no indication that it was a dual card. We don't know either way. Definitely disappointing though.

The second demo was performed on dual AMD Radeon RX Vega graphics cards with 4096 SPs on each card (arranged in 64 CU). This card was shown running Prey at 4K in Ultra settings. AMD’s RX Vega demonstration was also performed on a Threadripper platform, running a 16 core, 32 thread processor. The frame rate was uncapped and no V-Sync was used since there was visible tearing during the demo. AMD has announced that Radeon RX Vega graphics cards will be arriving in late July or Siggraph 2017 which means we have to wait two more months for Vega.

I know it was wccftech but I am sure they got that correct at least.

 

[beany_bot]

Morning. Just got done watching the AMD event.

Ehhh... WTF. Literally nothing about consumer Vega. Well, almost nothing.
Threadripper looks great, especially they 64 PCIe lanes. But likely not for me as a regular user. I don't have need for that many cores. 8 is my sweet spot I suspect.

But absolutely no data on consumer Vega. Not even FPS. Just threadripper running Xfire Vega (Which lets be honest is out of the reach of most people).

I think there are real problems with Vega somewhere. Must be. They would surely have wanted to show more. I think for sure Intel will be a lot more worried than Nvidia after watching that. Especially after all the big name manufacturers on stage "pledging allegiance" to Ryzen.

Looks like I might be running a Ryzen-Nvidia system soon. Ah well, a change is as good as a holiday as they say!

 

[Shaz12]

Are you 5 years old ? Smart people... So if you didn't want to be ripped off by novideo then you are stupid...for holding on to your money instead of giving into buying an overpriced gpu. Plus like others mentioned some have freesync monitors and would rather not pay the gsync tax... I don't like to insult people but you are dumb.

Say what you will about NVIDIA but at least their products are actually on the market. If the best AMD has to offer is dual Vega running prey which even a year old 1080 can do then their price premium is somewhat justified. Vega just got killed today.

 

[benjii]

I know it was wccftech but I am sure they got that correct at least.

Are we getting our wires crossed here? Are you saying it was a single card with two GPU's on it or two cards each with one GPU? Your posts read as if you're saying it's a dual GPU card and the article reads as if they're saying it was two cards. I'm not trying to be awkward, honest!

Either way, there is no mention of how many cards in play, just GPUs. Here is the quote from Lisa Su:

What we're doing here is playing the new Bethesda title, Prey, on ultra settings, at 4k resolution. So, this is Ryzen Threadripper, so, 16 cores, 32 threads; feeding two RX Radeon Vega GPUs.

 

[beany_bot]

Hmm, I'm no marketing expert but that isn't how I'd have teased a product that I was confident in.

I work in marketing and yes, it was very worrying. It looks like they are trying to pour cold water on their own fire there with Vega. Sweep it under the carpet if you will. Not looking good.
If it had problems they were confident they could fix, they would have still bigged it up a lot more. I can't help but think they might think it's dead. certainly in the gaming market. They might even have to go straight to Navi. Shame.

 

[jonjay]

TNA gone into hiding?

Makes me happy I went NVIDIA.

 

[doodah]

LOL I was going to write "setting expectations to low", didn't realise the news had come out already. At least expectations were set correctly .

 

[Gregster]

Are we getting our wires crossed here? Are you saying it was a single card with two GPU's on it or two cards each with one GPU? Your posts read as if you're saying it's a dual GPU card and the article reads as if they're saying it was two cards. I'm not trying to be awkward, honest!

Either way, there is no mention of how many cards in play, just GPUs. Here is the quote from Lisa Su:

Having re-read it, I assumed prior that it was a dual card (like the 295x2) but my bad, it was running on dual cards. Thanks for that and more coffee needed from me

 

[TimAhKin]

I see people are saying this is happening because of HBM2. Even if there is a shortage, they can still create hype and show us things. I mean, they should have one VEGA card for that? Right? :s
I think it's something more serious, cards are bursting to flames from to much power.

 

[Toss3]

What's worse is that it will probably be a paper launch end of July and we will be able to get our hands on a working product a month later at which point NVIDIA will be more than happy to cut prices and be the value option considering Volta is just 3 months away and will likely destroy Vega. I will probably be getting a 1080ti and an i7 7700K considering NVIDIA cards don't perform at their best with Ryzen. Shame

Why not wait for the 7800x? 6 cores for the same price as the 7700K.

 

[Steampunk]

AMD is keeping almost everything hidden from everybody. If they had a competitive product and they could ship it in quantity any time soon, why would they conceal everything while also hyping it? It might make sense if Vega was being kept entirely secret, but AMD have been hyping it for quite a while now. They can't take nvidia by surprise, nor can nvidia do much to bring forward Volta to respond if that was required. You can't hurry a new GPU all that much.

The only reasons I can think of for AMD to deliberately conceal and delay Vega is that it's not competitive with 1080 or that AMD know that cards can't be shipped in quantity. Or both.

I think AMD may have elected to be late rather than be bad. I think we're going to see decent coolers, decent availability, and decent drivers. They are not going to do what they've done for the last few releases where they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because they get one or more of the above things very wrong.

It frustrates me no end, as I've been waiting since polaris for AMD to provide an upgrade path for my 290, but we've all criticised AMD for not getting it right in the past, I'm hoping that's what they are trying to do now.

I'm glad I didn't stay up for the Computex stream as I had suspicions this would happen, or else it would have been loudly billed as the Vega RX launch, and it wasn't pitched like that at all.

 

[Gregster]

I think AMD may have elected to be late rather than be bad. I think we're going to see decent coolers, decent availability, and decent drivers. They are not going to do what they've done for the last few releases where they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because they get one or more of the above things very wrong.

It frustrates me no end, as I've been waiting since polaris for AMD to provide an upgrade path for my 290, but we've all criticised AMD for not getting it right in the past, I'm hoping that's what they are trying to do now.

It could also be a case of getting the drivers working fully.

 

[JediFragger]

I think AMD may have elected to be late rather than be bad.

Yup, the lesser of two evils for sure.

Maybe LtMatt is helping out the driver guy again, we haven't seen much of him of late

 

[Mauller]

From what i saw, the gameplay overall appeared to be smooth. But there was a lot of tearing, even multiple tears in the same scene. Probably 2 to 3 for the majority of the time.

Meaning the game was likely doing over the monitors refresh rate by a decent amount.

Was disappointing to not see more info though, the event seemed to be more focused on showcasing the Thread ripper platform more than anything.

 

[kylew_is_back]

HBM literally kill AMD.

 

[TimAhKin]

I think it's something much more serious. It's like when your girlfriend looks ****** of and you're asking her what's wrong and you get nothing, dead silence. That means you're in deep **** )

 

[benjii]

I guess the real indicator of RX Vega performance will be on the launch of the Vega Frontier, as it's safe to say review sites and consumers are still going to test these cards for gaming. We know that RX Vega will be a little better than Frontier at gaming, so the juicy info, good or bad, will be coming at the end of June.

One way or another, I'm still somewhat committed to RX Vega. I have a freesync monitor and can't really justify replacing it with a gsync. Overall, it's pretty meh.

 

[Toss3]

I think AMD may have elected to be late rather than be bad. I think we're going to see decent coolers, decent availability, and decent drivers. They are not going to do what they've done for the last few releases where they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because they get one or more of the above things very wrong.

It frustrates me no end, as I've been waiting since polaris for AMD to provide an upgrade path for my 290, but we've all criticised AMD for not getting it right in the past, I'm hoping that's what they are trying to do now.

I'm glad I didn't stay up for the Computex stream as I had suspicions this would happen, or else it would have been loudly billed as the Vega RX launch, and it wasn't pitched like that at all.

Pretty sure they have things working for at least some games and could have easily provided some benchmarks that would have given us an idea about its performance. I'm sure running two Vegas in crossfire wasn't just for fun - it basically sent a clear message that one Vega cannot run the game at >60fps at 4K, which means it is slower than the GTX 1080 Ti (AMD sponsored title).

 

[Toss3]

I guess the real indicator of RX Vega performance will be on the launch of the Vega Frontier, as it's safe to say review sites and consumers are still going to test these cards for gaming. We know that RX Vega will be a little better than Frontier at gaming, so the juicy info, good or bad, will be coming at the end of June.

One way or another, I'm still somewhat committed to RX Vega. I have a freesync monitor and can't really justify replacing it with a gsync.

Pretty sure it's only going to be clocked lower than the consumer Vega, so overclocking it should provide a decent idea of how the consumer cards are going to perform (drivers are probably different as well, but with some tweaks it should be possible to make the system think you are runnin a consumer Vega card).