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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Rroff said:
Seems to be the way lately - most GPU releases have massively ramped up prices by the retailers.
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Its really getting on my **** to say the least, almost every launch we have some retailer\etailer convenient situation that allows them to start cranking on the price. Oh stock is low so lets plays the "supply and demand card", oh the pound dropped .25 of a point against the dollar, oh brexit is affecting prices, the guy on the rickshaw taking the cards to the boat in china is requesting a wage increase so that has to also be taken into consideration. :rolleyes: Almost every launch without fail there always something to let retailers ratchet the price and its seriously getting old.
 
Gerard said:
Its really getting on my **** to say the least, almost every launch we have some retailer\etailer convenient situation that allows them to start cranking on the price. Oh stock is low so lets plays the "supply and demand card", oh the pound dropped .25 of a point against the dollar, oh brexit is affecting prices, the guy on the rickshaw taking the cards to the boat in china is requesting a wage increase so that has to also be taken into consideration. :rolleyes: Almost every launch without fail there always something to let retailers ratchet the price and its seriously getting old.
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Its because people nowadays will pay the price - its the same with so many things. Look at phones,even a crappy small update people will still line up to buy a £500 one,even if the previous model might actually be better in many areas.
 
Gerard said:
Its really getting on my **** to say the least, almost every launch we have some retailer\etailer convenient situation that allows them to start cranking on the price. Oh stock is low so lets plays the "supply and demand card", oh the pound dropped .25 of a point against the dollar, oh brexit is affecting prices, the guy on the rickshaw taking the cards to the boat in china is requesting a wage increase so that has to also be taken into consideration. :rolleyes: Almost every launch without fail there always something to let retailers ratchet the price and its seriously getting old.
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Agree with you ...
 
Ayahuasca said:
1k isn't very many at all, especially if they're better than current offerings for mining.
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For a launch its a large chunk of stock, remember the fury x launch, something like 12 cards. They're also supposedly restricting stock to 2 per customer so hopefully should last an hour or two.
 
Gerard said:
For a launch its a large chunk of stock, remember the fury x launch, something like 12 cards. They're also supposedly restricting stock to 2 per customer so hopefully should last an hour or two.
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Gibbo said 3 per customer but only one for AIO/Limited-Editions.
 
Rroff said:
Seems to be the way lately - most GPU releases have massively ramped up prices by the retailers.
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With the help of the "pack tax" though, the pack will probably not be very available, probably only at selected retailers (maybe already overpriced on the bundle components), a lot of the retailers will still sell at "pack' price though, if that pack price didn't exist it would have made it harder to price at 100$, retailers aren't the only ones to blame for the high prices sure they are profiting but that is what happens when the manufacturer gives out 2 different prices for exactly the same product, could see it coming from a mile away.
 
Gerard said:
Its really getting on my **** to say the least, almost every launch we have some retailer\etailer convenient situation that allows them to start cranking on the price. Oh stock is low so lets plays the "supply and demand card", oh the pound dropped .25 of a point against the dollar, oh brexit is affecting prices, the guy on the rickshaw taking the cards to the boat in china is requesting a wage increase so that has to also be taken into consideration. :rolleyes: Almost every launch without fail there always something to let retailers ratchet the price and its seriously getting old.
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Well said +1
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its because people nowadays will pay the price - its the same with so many things. Look at phones,even a crappy small update people will still line up to buy a £500 one,even if the previous model might actually be better in many areas.
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This is one of the biggest reasons.

Why do Nvidia charge $1200 for a TitanXp that is barely faster than a $700 1080Ti? Because people are willing to pay that. You can blame Nvidia all ou want for setting a ridiculous price but really their hands are kind of tied. Any companies single requirement is to maximize long term profits and returns to investor, while abiding by the laws. It is illegal for a CEO to do anything against those goals. If you can sell a product at a higher price and generate more profit then a company will do that

There are 2 mechanisms that prevent run-away price increases. The most important is market tolerance. Increasing prices will reduce sales so at some point total profit s reduce, a company always wants to find that sweet spot. The other mechanisms is competition, but that onyl works when there are lots of differentiating choices form multiple companies, and there is no price fixing.



Over the last 15 years or so there has been a large change in socioeconomic demographics. There are many people earning far more than equivalent jobs and skils 20 years ago. Then there tends to be a growing poorer distribution. Discrete GPUS are very much aimed at the 'haves", consoles at the 'have nots'. As such AMD and Nvidia can up-sale to higher price points. That is why a card as ridiculous as the Titan can now exist., and the 1060 and rx480 are just not that price competitive as they were in the past for that level of GPU.
 
Gerard said:
Presumably, the aio seems the best bet until other partners get their cards out.
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The problem with the AIO is then the price to performance. The reference air and the vega 56 are just OK price wise, if you have freesync and you ahve waited this long then they will amke sense. But the AIO ones are priced against the 1080ti, even if you have a freesync monitor the 1080ti would be a better card. You could even sell you freesync monitor and buy a gsync +1080ti and get 35% more performance.
 
If that leaked chart is correct something is definitively off with the Vega64. The core is clocked 250MHZ higher,it has 512 more shaders and 74GB/S more memory bandwidth.

Its hitting a limit there,and it makes me wonder whether that is memory bandwidth??
 
ubersonic said:
Just noticed on the Sapphire product pages for their Vega cards, they claim four way crossfire support, maybe it's not as dead as we thought?
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I don't want to bring back an old discussion, but as I said yesterday that AMD's "multiple smaller GPUs instead of single big monolithic GPU), in the short term is about having crossfire working. In this video, : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qJj1ViyyPY
Raja is talking about getting multiple GPUs out to developers and universities to get them on board with crossfire. I think some AMD users have also reported crossfire working better in some games lately?
However I don't think you want to run 4-way vega 64 unless you live wihtin the Artic circle.

Now before someone bites my head off, AMD is also researching MCM / NUMA approach with multiple smaller interconnected dies on an interposer, but that is just very distant.



However I don't think you want to run 4-way vega 64 unless you live wihtin the Artic circle.
 
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