The American Police

Burnsy2023 said:
Not necessarily. Firearms offences is a surprisingly large bucket of crimes, you can't make that assertion from the data provided.
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There was 9,700 crimes involving firearms taking place in the UK in 2020.
The cops seized about 500. Where are the rest?
 
  • Section 5(1)(a) any firearm which is so designed or adapted so that two or more missiles can be successively discharged without repeated pressure on the trigger, e.g. machine guns, burst fire weapons;
  • Section 5(1)(ab) any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire, e.g. short barrelled rifles;
  • Section 5(1)(aba) any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30cm in length or is less than 60cm in length overall, other than an air weapon, a muzzle-loading gun or a firearm designed as signalling apparatus, e.g. handguns, revolvers;
  • Section 5(1)(ac) any self-loading or pump-action smooth-bore gun which is not an air weapon or chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges and either has a barrel less than 24" in length or is less than 40" in length overall, e.g. self-loading shotguns;
  • Section 5(1)(ad) any smooth-bore revolver gun other than one which is chambered for 9mm rim-fire cartridges or a muzzle-loading gun, e.g. Dragon;
  • Section 5(1)(ae) any rocket launcher, or any mortar, for projecting a stabilised missile, other than a launcher or mortar designed for line-throwing or pyrotechnic purposes or as signalling apparatus;
  • Section 5(1)(af) any air rifle, air gun or air pistol which uses, or is designed or adapted for use with, a self-contained gas cartridge system, e.g. Brococks;
  • Section 5(1)(c) any cartridge with a bullet designed to explode on or immediately before impact, any ammunition containing or designed or adapted to contain any such noxious thing as mentioned in section 5(1)(b), and, if capable of being used with a firearm of any description, any grenade, bomb (or other like missile), or rocket or shell designed to explode as aforesaid, e.g. ammunition containing explosive in the bullets or missiles;
  • Section 5(1A)(a) any firearm which is disguised as another object, e.g. pen guns, key fob guns and phone guns.
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deuse said:
You've brought in the Blind\deaf\non-verbal, or cognitively impaired, or non-English speaking.
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Yes I have, because I think it's relevant when we're excusing police shooting people for not complying to point out that there are some people who may simply not be able to comply.

Would it be OK for a police officer to shoot someone for not complying, when they were unable to comply? If not, perhaps we should question whether not-complying should be enough to shoot someone.
 
cheesyboy said:
Yes I have, because I think it's relevant when we're excusing police shooting people for not complying to point out that there are some people who may simply not be able to comply.

Would it be OK for a police officer to shoot someone for not complying, when they were unable to comply? If not, perhaps we should question whether not-complying should be enough to shoot someone.
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Nothing t5o do with this case what so ever.
Stick to facts of the case.

You are trying to bring silly things in to this that don't exist.

You have to comply with the police.
It's the law(for the second time)
 
deuse said:
There was 9,700 crimes involving firearms taking place in the UK in 2020.
The cops seized about 500. Where are the rest?
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What "rest"? You seem to be attributing every firearms offence to one firearm each, that's not how it works. The actual data and research is out there and available if you care to look and would stop you making silly assertions like the police seizing 20,000 firearms in a single year.
 
Firearms offences in the UK include loads of things, some pretty minor. It isn't all London slum shootouts and bank robberies.

Even owning an airsoft gun which is over 1 joule is a "firearm" offence. My old neighbour blasting a mole with his shotgun in the back garden is another.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Firearms offences include things like possession of ammunition, or things like prohibited weapons such as CS spray.
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So the UK police put CS spray under gun crimes?
I think not.

"Gun crime has increased by 4% in one year with more than 9,700 crimes involving firearms taking place in the UK."

From the link a few pages abck.
 
TheVoice said:
What "rest"? You seem to be attributing every firearms offence to one firearm each, that's not how it works. The actual data and research is out there and available if you care to look and would stop you making silly assertions like the police seizing 20,000 firearms in a single year.
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For every gun crime there must be a gun.
Since the cops only got 450 guns out of circulation, they need to find the rest.
 
deuse said:
You're right!
Now that I know the police call cs spray a gun :D:D:D:D:D
No wonder this place is going down the pan,,,FAST

It's a wonder they don't put hairspray on the list :D:D:D
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The audacity of someone in America mocking British firearms legislation is almost too much. It does explain a lot though.
 
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