The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

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While I'm sure having to go to bomb shelters is rather unpleasant in terms of actual deaths on the Israeli side it's a bit meh to be "terrified" tbh...
Unfortunately the "terror" felt is likely real to them as the propaganda they've been fed for decades is what's used to ensure the majority do not rise up at the atrocious human rights violations committed by their nation, and reason for the hostile treatment of local Arabs. Similar to that used by the Western nations to initially going along with their "war on terror".
 
Except its not. One was the systematic and industrial attempt to murder and entire race. The other is an attempt to take the land currently occupied by another group whilst displacing them.
If the Israelis wanted to wipe out every Palestinian they could. They won't because they're playing a different, albeit incredibly unpleasant game.

I disagree. I don’t think Israel is acting in good faith and it’s actions are merely held back by international standards (of which are very low and already allowing them to commit war crimes)

There are many videos of hard right extremists in Israel advocating for the wiping out of Palestinians.

Vox pops like this are commonplace

 
Atmosphere is getting increasingly tense with protests and the odd violence and the frequency of rockets getting through has increased slightly. It is definitely gonna have a lot of people on edge with the unknown of how far it will escalate.

Same as Covid, albeit there is a much bigger risk from the pandemic.

Well, a rocket exploded down the road from her house, so it's fair enough, in my book.

Most areas of the UK have been whacked by the pandemic too to be fair, my next-door neighbour was coughing his guts up near the start, my local hospital was overwhelmed. Much more reason to be terrified of that than being hit by a rocket in Israel... chance of like 1 in a million of that having happened to any individual over the past week.

I'm not saying it isn't bad etc.. or disruptive or causing property damage but it's mostly psychological, it's not actually a huge risk to the ordinary Israelis, not much different to say the risk of dying in a road traffic accident in the UK!

Rocket landed nearby - fine, have you been traveling on the motorway in the UK and there is a hold-up, then you all drive past some accident site? Does it make you terrified of driving?

It's a perception issue, rockets are scary etc.. having to shelter is inconvenient and disruptive, the risk though for the average Israeil citizen is pretty low.
 
Same as Covid, albeit there is a much bigger risk from the pandemic.

Obviously isn't happening everywhere but with streets full of rubble, protestors, smoke, heavily equipped police and military, the odd outbreak of violence and frequent air-raid alarms it is probably a bit more terrifying than COVID.
 
Obviously isn't happening everywhere but with streets full of rubble, protestors, smoke, heavily equipped police and military, the odd outbreak of violence and frequent air-raid alarms it is probably a bit more terrifying than COVID.

Only on a superficial level, because to worst of Covid is hidden away in hospital wards. For some NHS staff working in ICUs I'm sure Covid was pretty terrifying at times!

We've been mostly spared from the details, the risk was still there for the UK public though. A few rockets is nothing in comparison to what this and many other countries have been through over the past year.
 
Superficial or not scenes like this are going to be far more terrifying - while not widespread they are happening over a good bit of Israel today. Also been a few rocket impacts on residential buildings or nearby with at least 2 killed and several injured, etc.

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Superficial or not scenes like this are going to be far more terrifying

More terrifying than what? Scenes people don't see? Sure. That point has already been acknowledged, throwing some pictures in doesn't change anything, again, the impact of Covid is hidden away in hospital wards so comparing visuals is rather moot! If anything it supports the argument that this is more of a perception thing, if people don't really think about the serious impact of Covid or put it out of their minds then, of course, rockets that in reality have little chance of killing them could be perceived as scarier.

Ditto to a motorway pile-up - I presume I don't need to add in a picture of a motorway pile-up to highlight the obvious there? But it would be silly IMO to be terrified of driving on the motorway or indeed of being killed by a rocket in Israel - which are currently risks around the same order of magnitude.

Anyway, on another topic, it seems this PCSO didn't get the memo about being politically neutral when on duty:

 
I disagree. I don’t think Israel is acting in good faith and it’s actions are merely held back by international standards (of which are very low and already allowing them to commit war crimes)

There are many videos of hard right extremists in Israel advocating for the wiping out of Palestinians.

Vox pops like this are commonplace


This is why some Jewish people are funding the import of immigrants to the UK/EU they don't want them in their back yard but they are funding them to gain entry into the EU.

They want Israel to be for Jewish people, but they want to see displaced populations move elsewhere.

Notice they are paying to help move immigrants to the EU but not to Palestine.

Why is that?

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More terrifying than what? Scenes people don't see? Sure. That point has already been acknowledged, throwing some pictures in doesn't change anything, again, the impact of Covid is hidden away in hospital wards so comparing visuals is rather moot! If anything it supports the argument that this is more of a perception thing, if people don't really think about the serious impact of Covid or put it out of their minds then, of course, rockets that in reality have little chance of killing them could be perceived as scarier.

Ditto to a motorway pile-up - I presume I don't need to add in a picture of a motorway pile-up to highlight the obvious there? But it would be silly IMO to be terrified of driving on the motorway or indeed of being killed by a rocket in Israel - which are currently risks around the same order of magnitude.

Anyway, on another topic, it seems this PCSO didn't get the memo about being politically neutral when on duty:



I hope she gets pulled up about that.
 
Indeed. But it does leave the question, what is the opposing side to “Free Palestine”? She’s not exactly saying “Death to Israel”

Why is 'all lives matter' considered a racist response to the BLM movement? The answer is because of the underlying beliefs behind the words.

The full slogan is actually 'free Palestine from the river to the sea', it comes from hamas And the plo before them, and refers to the destruction of israel as per the goals of hamas.

So that's actually exactly what she's saying, either deliberately or in ignorance.
 
I heard free palistine a lot never beard reference go hamas though.

What do you suggest people say?

Personally, I'd go with wanting lasting peace in the Middle East.

I guess it depends whether you want to see Israel destroyed or not though. If that's your aim, then yes, pretty much any alternative you come up with will still have racist undertones.
 
Why is 'all lives matter' considered a racist response to the BLM movement? The answer is because of the underlying beliefs behind the words.

The full slogan is actually 'free Palestine from the river to the sea', it comes from hamas And the plo before them, and refers to the destruction of israel as per the goals of hamas.

So that's actually exactly what she's saying, either deliberately or in ignorance.

Didn't realise Lior Suchard was a member of these forums.

"exactly" :rolleyes:
 
You hit the nail on the head. With those golden words It's all about peace and how can it be achieved. I hope some can respond here on this matter.
From my point of view. First step to get peace is to aim for it!
Unfortunately I think we've passed the point where there could be peace for Palestinians, the end is enevitable and written many years ago.

Peace for Israel will most likely be a long time away as their goalposts will continually move if foundational fundamentals persist in their governance.
 
Indeed. But it does leave the question, what is the opposing side to “Free Palestine”? She’s not exactly saying “Death to Israel”

It doesn't matter/isn't relevant. The issue is her openly expressing support for one side, these police officers could be tasked with keeping two rival pro-Israel/pro-Palestinian groups separated in some future protests.

Likewise, a police officer policing a football match, trying to stop hooligans/supporters from fighting each other certainly shouldn't openly favour one side.
 
A difficult task tbqh.

Not particularly (the not picking sides/showing bias openly thing rather than the policing that is) at least AFAIK it's not an issue in the UK, though it's not like living in a city means you support the local team necessarily or indeed there might be more than one local team and they're bitter rivals so bias in favour of home team supporters isn't necessarily an issue.

I guess perhaps international matches though again perhaps less of an issue in the UK.
 
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