The Banter Thread

BaZ87 · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:12

Rotty said:
If he is cleared then I think they would have no choice but to charge Evra with bringing the game into disrepute or similar

You can't charge somebody for not successfully being able to prove an allegation, unless it can conclusively be proven that he's lied. As above, that's near impossible.

If any action is taken against Evra it will be for making the allegations on tv before Suarez is found guilty.

Purdy · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:13

Rotty said:
If he is cleared then I think they would have no choice but to charge Evra with bringing the game into disrepute or similar

Considering it isn't his first time I'd hope so.

During the match he seemed more interested in antagonizing our fans than Suarez.

DanH84 · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:15

Moses said:
The handballing and biting isn't racism. Lying is lying, though.

well I'm sure the legal teams will bear that in mind when preparing their case. It's pretty rock solid.

BaZ87 · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:22

DanH84 said:
well I'm sure the legal teams will bear that in mind when preparing their case. It's pretty rock solid.

I sense you're being sarcastic there Dan

Are you suggesting that if somebody is found to have lied during a FA hearing before that their credibility wouldn't be called into question when providing evidence for another hearing?

Rotty · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:27

BaZ87 said:
You can't charge somebody for not successfully being able to prove an allegation, unless it can conclusively be proven that he's lied. As above, that's near impossible.

If any action is taken against Evra it will be for making the allegations on tv before Suarez is found guilty.

FA hearings are on balance of probability afaik, if its 1 players word against another then it has to go against 1 of them

Rotty · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:28

DanH84 said:
People are seeing this in a far too black and white manner (excuse the pun).

Rotty · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:29

nicktay2605 said:
I don't understand, are you suggesting that adding the 'stupid french' part changes nothing

stupid and french are descriptions and not abusive, if you are stupid and french then that is what you are

DanH84 · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:30

BaZ87 said:
I sense you're being sarcastic there Dan

Are you suggesting that if somebody is found to have lied during a FA hearing before that their credibility wouldn't be called into question when providing evidence for another hearing?

well bonus for Suarez then surely? If there is no other evidence and Evra has previously been found guilty of lying then surely he's in the clear? Do you have a link to the section where he was found guilty of lying btw? I remember the Phelan bit but not the Evra bit apart from that they accepted he had caught that Bethell a glancing blow.

BaZ87 · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:38

DanH84 said:
well bonus for Suarez then surely? If there is no other evidence and Evra has previously been found guilty of lying then surely he's in the clear? Do you have a link to the section where he was found guilty of lying btw? I remember the Phelan bit but not the Evra bit apart from that they accepted he had caught that Bethell a glancing blow.

I can't find a link to the actual FA document but here's the quote from it that was used in several articles at the time.

We find Evra’s account exaggerated and unreliable.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...As-damning-verdict-on-Manchester-United-.html

And my point was a general one but yes, Evra being found to have provided 'exaggerated and unreliable' evidence in the past would assist Suarez.

edit: here's a copy of the full FA report:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...v-1-Patrice-Evra-2-Chelsea-Football-Club.html

andy@moFo · 16 Nov 2011 at 21:54

Will the FA release a full report into the latest allegations/charges on Suarez?

syke · 16 Nov 2011 at 22:02

Fulham's talks about expanding Craven Cottage have gone further, looks like it'll definitely go ahead at some point - more details in December. Will be taking capacity over 30k, and developing more facilities, I think. Good news, and not too big of an expansion.

Alpherah · 16 Nov 2011 at 22:48

Purdy said:
Considering it isn't his first time I'd hope so.

During the match he seemed more interested in antagonizing our fans than Suarez.

You mean like during the moment Suarez patted him on the head (One of those 10 racist incidents apparently) and Evra reacted by kissing the badge and signalling it to all of Anfield

One More Solo · 17 Nov 2011 at 10:20

BaZ87 said:
If it's proven that Evra lied, yes. That's nigh on impossible though.

However, you'd hope that some action is taken against Evra for making the allegations on French TV before any investigation had begun.

What what what?! If some action is taken against Evra for that then what about all the **** that "King Kenny" and his lovable band of Scouse rogues have been spouting while the investigation is going on? He has shown nothing but contempt for it while United have kept quiet and let the FA get on with it as they should.

This is what I was talking about re: the Liverpool site. I apologise as it wasn't posted on the official site but was posted on Twitter by one of the site columnists (http://twitter.com/#!/Kristian_Walsh/status/125304318810267648). Having learned he was talking rubbish he tried to pretend he was making a point about not believing everything you read. Eventually (I assume he was leant on from above) he admitted he was wrong and that he was an idiot, which is something we can all agree on.

jakeke · 17 Nov 2011 at 10:49

I hope Evra or Suarez gets a 10 game ban, if Evra is lying, him, if Suarez is a dirty racist on top of all his other traits then the same for him, actually he should probably just be kicked out of football. What is left for him to do that he hasn't already?

jakeke · 17 Nov 2011 at 10:57

Fair enough, cheeky scamp, I'm looking forward to what he's got in store next time anyway

BaZ87 · 17 Nov 2011 at 11:15

One More Solo said:
What what what?! If some action is taken against Evra for that then what about all the **** that "King Kenny" and his lovable band of Scouse rogues have been spouting while the investigation is going on? He has shown nothing but contempt for it while United have kept quiet and let the FA get on with it as they should.

What exactly has Dalglish said that you take exception to? :confused:

And I'm not sure if you're being serious about Utd keeping quiet. Taggart gave an exclusive interview to the Mirror(?) talking about racism creeping back into the game and as before, Evra made the accusations on French tv which straight away prejudices the case.

Purdy · 17 Nov 2011 at 13:02

jakeke said:
I hope Evra or Suarez gets a 10 game ban, if Evra is lying, him, if Suarez is a dirty racist on top of all his other traits then the same for him, actually he should probably just be kicked out of football. What is left for him to do that he hasn't already?

Did you think the same about Keane?

Also don't really see the issue with Suarez calling him mate in his native language.

jakeke · 17 Nov 2011 at 13:06

Purdy said:
Did you think the same about Keane?

Also don't really see the issue with Suarez calling him mate in his native language.

I'm talking about the racism charges, they could become an issue.

jakeke · 17 Nov 2011 at 13:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPyKD4VuyYA&feature=youtu.be

Friend recorded one of my goals on Monday, turned on a 6pence :smug:

The reason I run like a cripple is because I have a really bad back which has pretty much stopped me playing

Purdy · 17 Nov 2011 at 13:10

jakeke said:
I'm talking about the racism charges, they could become an issue.

Called him Negrito, means mate, Evra can interprut it whatever way he wants but at the end of the day it's whatever Suarez meant and I'd doubt hed admit to saying Negrito thinking it was racist.

See you totally ignored the Keane thing. Scholes is certainly in there too.