The BBFC are at it again..

scorza said:
I wouldn't have a problem with that, though I suspect that banning football would cause a lot more violence than not-banning it :D

Seriously though, football isn't the cause of football related violence. Studies have shown that alcohol is the number one cause, hence why alcohol was banned at all football grounds for few years and why it still is for high risk games - even pubs in the surrounding areas of a football ground are forced to shut. Sorry, but I think you're going to have to accept that your days of playing ultra-violent computer games are numbered.
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I guess I'll just stick to watching UFC, boxing, then maybe rounded off by the Saw series followed by Captive, The Hills Have Eyes, and then maybe Come and See.
 
V1N said:
Ah, there we go again.

You agree a game should be banned, because you personally, can't understand why anyone would want to play it?

So, because you don't like it, **** anybody else who does?

Nice!

V1N.
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Why are you being so agressive?

Some of the nut cases that play games like this try and act them out. This game is stupidly violent. You gota draw a line.

IM not saying games make people commit murder. But its been proven that nut cases have tried to act this game out.

Why do you want to go round murdering people and in such detail anyway?
 
scorza said:
My emphasis.
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The thing is, there are a lot of things that if properly investigated you would come to the same conclusion. Alcohol being an obvious one. But you have to think just because it makes some people violent, is that really reason enough to ban other people from playing it?

To be honest, I'm kind of on the fence on this one. It doesn't seem fair that the BBFC is telling adults what they can and can't play, but on the other hand I couldn't care less about Manhunt. It sounds pants.
 
8igdave said:
Why are you being so agressive?

Some of the nut cases that play games like this try and act them out. This game is stupidly violent. You gota draw a line.

IM not saying games make people commit murder. But its been proven that nut cases have tried to act this game out.

Why do you want to go round murdering people and in such detail anyway?
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What detail?
In PS2 detail graphics?

Even if it was a PS3/XBOX360/latest DX10 release, if I choose to play it, why shouldn't I?

I've just finished a quick game of MOH: Airborne. Killed plenty of people. I had a laugh! Does this make me sick? I certainly have no thoughts on going out and killing anybody now.

I played the first manhunt through, and don't remember once thinking it was OTT. I looked at it as if it were just a video game, played it to the end, and didn't think much more of it. I haven't murdered anybody yet either.

Is Manhunt II just about going around murdering people anyway? The first one wasn't.

As I've previously said though, I aren't particularly fussed about playing Manhunt II, I aren't fussed about a game where you go about murdering people in any level of detail.

What I am fussed about, is the choice of playing it or not, being taken away.

It also makes me concerned that if they (BBFC) manage to ban this one game, is it opening the door for further bans. I mean, if GTA was nearly banned in the past, what if they tried again with GTA IV? Encouraging people to steal, and kill?

I wish we could all see Manhunt II now, and see if it really is as bad as anything else out there. I'm sure it's nowhere near as bad as Hills have Eyes, or Hostel in the movies.

As for the argument about interactivity being the cause, I really don't see the pressing the X button to do your digital killing, is in any way similar to strangling/stabbing/shooting anybody in real life.

As for the Wii controls. No comment, never used one.

I'm out of here again now though.
I think I've made my point. People are of course free to disagree all they like, that's their choice, and their choice hasn't been banned in this case. ;)

I just wish that some kind of label/warning could be put on the game, warning people what to expect, big NOT FOR KIDS written on there for the parents...and let people choose for themselves.

I do also apologise for being a bit OTT on the subject.
It isn't just the banning of the game that gets my goat, it's people's selfish attitudes, saying things like "I'm glad it's banned, 'cos I didn't like it" without a thought for anybody else.


V1N.

EDIT: By the way, I was in Germany this summer. Had a good chat with a group of people over there, about the state of their censorship, and was amazed how laid back they seemed to be about it. I wondered it they realised the level of censorship occuring in their games, stuff being removed/changed... or games being outright banned. I'd hate to see similar levels of censorship starting in this country. Manhunt II could well be starting a trend. Wasn't there some kind of ban for Gears of War in Germany? Too violent? I wonder how many people on here arguing about Manhunt II would agree if it was Gears of War being banned in the UK?
 
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Psyk said:
The thing is, there are a lot of things that if properly investigated you would come to the same conclusion. Alcohol being an obvious one. But you have to think just because it makes some people violent, is that really reason enough to ban other people from playing it?

To be honest, I'm kind of on the fence on this one. It doesn't seem fair that the BBFC is telling adults what they can and can't play, but on the other hand I couldn't care less about Manhunt. It sounds pants.
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I'm not talking about banning all games with a hint of violence in them ala Jack Thompson, but I do recognise the link between violent video games and aggressive behaviour in humans. I think there has to be a compromise, which we have with appropriate certifications given to video games as well as films, and if a game or a film cannot meet the the minimum criteria set by the censors then it should not be released. I realise there's an issue with importing games, so I'd actually like to see an EU censor rather than a British one.
 
I remember playing manhunt, sneaking up behind someone, putting a plastic bag over there head and slitting their throat if I recall. The only reason this game sold was to see how far the game went. IMO it's sick and there is a line to be drawn and manhunt crossed it.
 
johnnyfive said:
I remember playing manhunt, sneaking up behind someone, putting a plastic bag over there head and slitting their throat if I recall. The only reason this game sold was to see how far the game went. IMO it's sick and there is a line to be drawn and manhunt crossed it.
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Ive seen worse things on the Itchy and Scratchy show.Remember its not REAL life
 
johnnyfive said:
I remember playing manhunt, sneaking up behind someone, putting a plastic bag over there head and slitting their throat if I recall. The only reason this game sold was to see how far the game went. IMO it's sick and there is a line to be drawn and manhunt crossed it.
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And who exactly should be drawing that line? you?

I remember the first time I played GTA3, I punched a lady in the face and after she fell over I stomped her to death splattering her blood all over the pavement. I Then went and had sex with a prostitute in my car. Finally I beat a few old ladies to death with a baseball bat!

Ban GTA3 It's way to violent for MY tastes and encourages violence.

While we're at it, ban Grand Tourismo and Forza too. Driving over the speed limit should not be encouraged. Because you are INTERACTIVELY driving the car you will be encouraged to drive over the speed limit. I don't condone driving over the speed limit. BAN IT!

Oh wait, why stop there? Lets ban all the first person shooters too...there is a line to draw when it comes mindless shooting.

NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN OR CAN'T PLAY.
 
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scorza said:
Sorry, you're not getting out of it that way, the scientific method rarely concludes with absolutes.



My emphasis.
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they had loads of those reports in usa and for every report you can get a dozen experts agreeing and disagreeing each one diffent from the last report.
 
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queamin said:
they had loads of those reports in usa and for every report you can get a dozen experts agreeing and disagreeing each one diffent from the last report.
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I'm not aware of any study that has claimed that video games do not cause increased aggression, just some reports that haven't found any significant increase. Note that some studies have found that smoking doesn't significantly increase the risk of getting lung cancer, others have. This is why it's important to look at as much empirical evidence as possible.

Heard on the radio that the government have launched a new report into the effects the internet and violent video games have on children. Hopefully we'll see a few more games banned.
 
scorza said:
I'm not aware of any study that has claimed that video games do not cause increased aggression, just some reports that haven't found any significant increase. Note that some studies have found that smoking doesn't significantly increase the risk of getting lung cancer, others have. This is why it's important to look at as much empirical evidence as possible.

Heard on the radio that the government have launched a new report into the effects the internet and violent video games have on children. Hopefully we'll see a few more games banned.
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TBH, the results dont matter if the entire investigation and things you measure are flawed. For example, if you just recruited 20 boys with anger management problems and asked if they played a violent game before and 18 did, that wouldnt indicate anything. Similarly even doing functional MRI's wouldnt give you an answer unless there is CONCLUSIVE proof that areas being activated are associated with violence after the event.

There are several ways to make your results significant and being honest this is a headline grabbing area, so it wouldnt suprise me if they change their targets to make it significant.

Until they do a RCT (with at least 1000 people) which shows from a baseline population that violent events correlate significantly with playing violent games, then all the claims are meaningless.
 
Jono said:
I have a dream... maybe, just maybe, ONE day... we'll see a return to responsible parenting.
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Yeah lol, but we won't. What I'd like to see is trading standards given the power to shut down shops, temporarily at first, permanently if necessary, that sell games to under-age kids. Not sure how that will work for internet retailers though.
 
johnnyfive said:
Theres a difference between watching and interacting. Manhunt is just mindless violence which deserves to be banned.
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I agree with this completely to be honest

The mindless editing in films like Die Hard is what annoys me , yes maybe the voice editing/deleting etc doesnt make that much difference - but you hear worse on the street than the words edited out of some films and most people who go to those kind of films know what kind of language to expect)
 
Jono said:
I have a dream... maybe, just maybe, ONE day... we'll see a return to responsible parenting.
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depends by what you mean responsible, i.e responsible that you would never allow a kid to play a game thats not for their age rating, or b - responsible that you allow your kids to play these age rated games but monitor their behaviour and make sure that they know its just a game and in no way an indication of true life for the average person.
 
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