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That's it, I refuse to watch ECW anymore - matches just suck
It's too short. ECW needs to be at least 90 minutes, preferably 2 hours. By the time you've had/hyped the main event it's currently leaving half an hour for the rest. And you just can't get good matches into that kinda timeframe.
But then it would take some of the spotlight away from RAW, which Vince won't have.
I don't think making ECW any longer would help ... I can at least watch the RAW/SD matches and enjoy them - half the ECW stars lack any chemistry.
Henry vs Bourne matches were utter bore fests in the past (not helped by the fact that both look like retards); Hart Dynasty are starting to bore me; the only decent match Swagger had was the one vs Christian a while back.
Dreamer vs Christian matches actually work pretty well; and Finlay vs Dreamer or Christian also work - but beyond that?
You have borefests like Kozlov (possibly because he has not actually been given a decent ECW match yet); you have Zack Ryder - what is his purpose on ECW exactly?
He was OKish on on SD - but this new ECW gimmick is just pointless.
Henry vs Bourne matches were utter bore fests in the past (not helped by the fact that both look like retards); Hart Dynasty are starting to bore me; the only decent match Swagger had was the one vs Christian a while back.
Dreamer vs Christian matches actually work pretty well; and Finlay vs Dreamer or Christian also work - but beyond that?
You have borefests like Kozlov (possibly because he has not actually been given a decent ECW match yet); you have Zack Ryder - what is his purpose on ECW exactly?
He was OKish on on SD - but this new ECW gimmick is just pointless.
But that's my point. With a longer show they would have chance to build feuds, build chemistry, and work matches properly.
As it stands, we just get a load of short matches, with the wrestlers looking to get it done in time rather than entertain.
As it stands, we just get a load of short matches, with the wrestlers looking to get it done in time rather than entertain.
Short matches can be just as entertaining as a longer match - in fact with ECW despite the short matches I still feel they drag on too much in the middle and then have a sudden end.
I'm just not getting any sort of chemistry between most of the wrestlers; and match length is not going to fix that - some of the guys just cannot work together to give an entertaining show.
For instance - Swagger is a mat wrestler - he would have probably worked well with Benoit, Angle, and Eddie ... but so far in ECW he is not working very well with anyone really as he doesn't have the same ability as the above off the ground.
Mark Henry is just a big lump - at least Umaga had some decent kicks and aerial moves. Heck, Henry is worse than the Big Show and Khali combined.
Bourne is not too bad; he is like Mysterio - except that he should wear Rey's mask so that you don't see his face.
Finlay is fine, he has a decent repertoire of moves and can work with most people; but it would be much better if he stopped with the Shillelagh as it puts a stupid end to the match - use a chair or something instead.
Triple H can be very good on the mike, just a shame they dont do any interesting/funny storylines like they did. I always thought the Kurt Angle/Stephanie affair was a good one, and it was so simple. But now? They have talent, but they really need to think of how to utilise it. Even if they got rid of 30% of wrestlers i wouldnt mind if they put that money towards better creative writers or something... Come on WWE, its so simple.
They are going in the right direction giving the mic to Miz; as he is decent with the mic work - and Cena can be good at times with mic work as well.
Really though; WWEs problems do not lie with the mic work necessarily - but rather with their story lines and wrestling.
They need to end the HHH vs Legacy angle - or if they are not going to end it give HHH a partner he can work with well; stop having the 3 on 1 (or 1 on 3) beat downs and do something closer to how the DX vs McMahon or DX vs Rated RKO feuds worked - where they are not overly serious, in your face 24/7 feuds - but do actually have something interesting to them.
The Jeff vs Edge feud was more interesting than the HHH vs Orton feud - especially since HHH vs Orton has been going on and off since 2004.
It's 2009 now - finish this story already once and for all already.
If you are going to have Orton + Legacy as heel then give us some decent faces to take them on; having HHH on his own is not really what I had in mind.
Really though; WWEs problems do not lie with the mic work necessarily - but rather with their story lines and wrestling.
They need to end the HHH vs Legacy angle - or if they are not going to end it give HHH a partner he can work with well; stop having the 3 on 1 (or 1 on 3) beat downs and do something closer to how the DX vs McMahon or DX vs Rated RKO feuds worked - where they are not overly serious, in your face 24/7 feuds - but do actually have something interesting to them.
The Jeff vs Edge feud was more interesting than the HHH vs Orton feud - especially since HHH vs Orton has been going on and off since 2004.
It's 2009 now - finish this story already once and for all already.
If you are going to have Orton + Legacy as heel then give us some decent faces to take them on; having HHH on his own is not really what I had in mind.
Just worked out how RAW should work 
Obviously Legacy as heel
HHH teaming with HBK (DX) who also allow The Miz in (he is a good mic worker as I said) and thus we have a 3 member DX heel (HHH is already bordering heel vs Orton). The Miz will mean that HBK does not need to work every show and lets him have time off - but still gives HHH a partner. Obviously for story purposes should have Steph back this reformed DX. This gives The Miz a huge push as well
Big Show teaming with Matt Hardy and perhaps Regal - gives Matt a large push - and allows both to be heels. Shane & Vince should back them (some sort of story to split Steph and Vince + Shane - say Big Show saving Vince and not Steph; thus HHH feuds with him).
Cena, MVP, Batista on his return, Colons also teaming up - as the main faces on RAW. Obviously this means that HHH has to feud with Batista when he is back.
This allows for each group to feud with the other - as they all have history between them. Obviously the other wrestlers left out from this can float around - but overall this would give 4 balanced sides meaning that the story would not get too stale (just don't have 4 way matches - keep it all 2 on 2 or 1 on 1).
Obviously Legacy as heel
HHH teaming with HBK (DX) who also allow The Miz in (he is a good mic worker as I said) and thus we have a 3 member DX heel (HHH is already bordering heel vs Orton). The Miz will mean that HBK does not need to work every show and lets him have time off - but still gives HHH a partner. Obviously for story purposes should have Steph back this reformed DX. This gives The Miz a huge push as well
Big Show teaming with Matt Hardy and perhaps Regal - gives Matt a large push - and allows both to be heels. Shane & Vince should back them (some sort of story to split Steph and Vince + Shane - say Big Show saving Vince and not Steph; thus HHH feuds with him).
Cena, MVP, Batista on his return, Colons also teaming up - as the main faces on RAW. Obviously this means that HHH has to feud with Batista when he is back.
This allows for each group to feud with the other - as they all have history between them. Obviously the other wrestlers left out from this can float around - but overall this would give 4 balanced sides meaning that the story would not get too stale (just don't have 4 way matches - keep it all 2 on 2 or 1 on 1).
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do they put more emphasis on mouth talent over wrestling talent?
The miz is a pretty unconvincing wrestler imho.
I'd say cena was ok on the mike, ok in the ring, but he at least looks the part.
I'm not particularly a fan, i just don't get the ridiculously named 'The Miz'. He looks like a podgy college dropout trying to get fit.
The miz is a pretty unconvincing wrestler imho.
I'd say cena was ok on the mike, ok in the ring, but he at least looks the part.
I'm not particularly a fan, i just don't get the ridiculously named 'The Miz'. He looks like a podgy college dropout trying to get fit.
I think what I hate most about WWE is the way they waste so much great talent they have had over the years by not using them correctly.
I just look at guys like Chris Masters....he was actually pretty damn good and got soooooo much heat it was unreal. The simple fact that they didnt put a championship on him was a mistake IMO. However obviously turned out he was on drugs etc....but apparently he is on his way back.
Even Carlito is a very talented wrestler and then they simply gave up on him until they signed his brother and decided they should be a tag team. I feel he's been wasted throughout the years.
Both were in the Elimination Chamber in '06 and were up against Cena in the end, I genuinely thought that WWE were going to give one of these guys a genuine shot at a title but alas it was not to be. However that Elimination Chamber provided me with one of a few OMG moments over the years as Edge cashed in his Money In The Bank shot that night. That was when that idea was fresh and different.
A problem I see developing is the overuse of certain matches and scenarios. How many last man standing matches have we had in recent years. And to call the HHH Orton match at "the bash" a 3 stages of hell match is just absolutely stupid.
Now is it just me or is the selection of matches hardly anyones idea of hell?
First up.......a traditional wrestling map
followed by.......falls count anywhere
and finally......a stretcher match
Honestly I just hate matches like this as they are so predictible for the first 2 as you know that it will go all the way like it does every time. I'm just really getting frustrated with the format and matches put forward at the moment and I cant see any way forward at the moment.
Plus this whole rating thing is just so stupid. This PG stuff is actually killing the product with subtle changes happening over the last year. The presence of blood for example is pretty much gone now from WWE, we had an ECW "extreme" rules match where nobody got busted open for example, not very extreme. We have had moves being renamed....mainly Cena's. FU became the Attitude Adjustment.....STFU became the STF......yes ok that's simple things but it shows where the product is headed.
Honestly the quicker TNA can actually become a viable threat (ok it wont happen probably) the better. We need some ratings wars as some of the matches TNA themselves put on a good show recently and I really like their king of the mountain format.
Looking back further however I wish WWE would take a leaf out of the WCW book and make their 3 stages of hell the triple cage they used at Wargames, for those who havent seen it heres a video below
Sorry for the rant at random aspects, it's just annoying me right now.
I just look at guys like Chris Masters....he was actually pretty damn good and got soooooo much heat it was unreal. The simple fact that they didnt put a championship on him was a mistake IMO. However obviously turned out he was on drugs etc....but apparently he is on his way back.
Even Carlito is a very talented wrestler and then they simply gave up on him until they signed his brother and decided they should be a tag team. I feel he's been wasted throughout the years.
Both were in the Elimination Chamber in '06 and were up against Cena in the end, I genuinely thought that WWE were going to give one of these guys a genuine shot at a title but alas it was not to be. However that Elimination Chamber provided me with one of a few OMG moments over the years as Edge cashed in his Money In The Bank shot that night. That was when that idea was fresh and different.
A problem I see developing is the overuse of certain matches and scenarios. How many last man standing matches have we had in recent years. And to call the HHH Orton match at "the bash" a 3 stages of hell match is just absolutely stupid.
Now is it just me or is the selection of matches hardly anyones idea of hell?
First up.......a traditional wrestling map
followed by.......falls count anywhere
and finally......a stretcher match
Honestly I just hate matches like this as they are so predictible for the first 2 as you know that it will go all the way like it does every time. I'm just really getting frustrated with the format and matches put forward at the moment and I cant see any way forward at the moment.
Plus this whole rating thing is just so stupid. This PG stuff is actually killing the product with subtle changes happening over the last year. The presence of blood for example is pretty much gone now from WWE, we had an ECW "extreme" rules match where nobody got busted open for example, not very extreme. We have had moves being renamed....mainly Cena's. FU became the Attitude Adjustment.....STFU became the STF......yes ok that's simple things but it shows where the product is headed.
Honestly the quicker TNA can actually become a viable threat (ok it wont happen probably) the better. We need some ratings wars as some of the matches TNA themselves put on a good show recently and I really like their king of the mountain format.
Looking back further however I wish WWE would take a leaf out of the WCW book and make their 3 stages of hell the triple cage they used at Wargames, for those who havent seen it heres a video below
Sorry for the rant at random aspects, it's just annoying me right now.
Carlito got a fairly decent push - however I think they found that he was not really that marketable with the fans so they could not easily exploit his stardom.
Personally I actually prefer him as a tag team rather than a solo wrestler - I don't think he has the same presence in the ring as some of the top stars.
Personally I actually prefer him as a tag team rather than a solo wrestler - I don't think he has the same presence in the ring as some of the top stars.
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But that's just removing the word 'up' surely? not what most people would call offensive. They left the 'F' word in ????
No, because STF now means as it should the "Stepover Toehold Facelock" rather than the play on words giving it the rude meaning - even though Cena does the STS (Step over Toehold Sleeper).
Which now means that the move that Cena pulls is not actually the correct move going by the name. For the STF you pull the head; for the STS you wrap arms around the neck.
STFU worked due to the play on words, STF makes it the wrong move though
EDIT: I feel lame knowing all this
Which now means that the move that Cena pulls is not actually the correct move going by the name. For the STF you pull the head; for the STS you wrap arms around the neck.
STFU worked due to the play on words, STF makes it the wrong move though
EDIT: I feel lame knowing all this
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No, because STF now means as it should the "Stepover Toehold Facelock" rather than the play on words giving it the rude meaning - even though Cena does the STS (Step over Toehold Sleeper).
Which now means that the move that Cena pulls is not actually the correct move going by the name. For the STF you pull the head; for the STS you wrap arms around the neck.
STFU worked due to the play on words, STF makes it the wrong move though
EDIT: I feel lame knowing all this
Quite possibly
.But i'm now all the more wiser, thanks to you sir!