The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim announced

bhavv said:
Every MMO is as bad as I described, and WoW is the worst of them all.

The only good 'online RPGs' are Guild Wars and DDO as they do not force me to carry out repetitive grind to get to the end game. In GW I can reach max level and play all the games content in just a day or two, in DDO I can do the same in about 4-5 days.

Seriously you're a clueless bint.

I dont play games to socialize, I have real life if I want to do that. If you actually play games to feel like you are socializing, then your brain is completely confused over the definition of the word 'Loner'.

Pathetic really. MMOs are the single worst thing ever to have happened to the RPG genre.

Plenty of people who have stopped playing WoW and other grindfest MMOs have written in various places about how much they hated forming groups for raids and other such content in grindfest MMOs.

When I play a game, I want to play a game, not spend 2-3 hours LFG before I can play just a 10 minute quest, or be locked into a 2 hour raid with no option to save and resume my progress at another time.
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You sir, are very angry.

WoW (I will pick WoW for my example, as it is easy to relate this too since most will be familiar with it) is a lifestyle choice. You don't have to do any of the grind these days. In fact once you reach the grinding stages, the chances are you will have already sunk a fair few hundred hours getting to this stage already. People make the choice to commit to this, it is not forced upon them. The players are the problem with the addiction not the game. People, including ex-players, are very quick to blame WoW as a game and will blame everything under the sun before they look at themselves and ultimately realise, they made the choice and need to shoulder the responsibility of over-playing it. WoW is sold for what it is, no one pretends it is a quick pick up and put down game.

Just to get into the end game grind in Wow, will have taken much more time than a you would have committed to any rpg I can think of. As for GW and DDO, they are aimed at a different market, commitment level and type of player.
 
bhavv said:
When I play a game, I want to play a game, not spend 2-3 hours LFG before I can play just a 10 minute quest, or be locked into a 2 hour raid with no option to save and resume my progress at another time.
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This is very exaggerated though, if you queue for a dungeon, it is 10 mins at the most before you are in, less if you play as a tank or healer.

It is also very easy to resume said progress in a raid at another time with your guildmates so bit confused there too. Heaven forbid you have to get in contact with people to arrange things even if you are not in a guild.

It sounds like the people you say complained about it were playing the game in a very antisocial way or certainly wanted to interact with others as little as possible, which people might want to do but really isn't how the game is played whether they like it or not.


Anyway this is another thread you're successfully derailing so kudos.




What are people going to do first after the skyrim introduction/tutorial? Any plans?

Personally I want to do the dark brotherhood pretty quickly.
 
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Scrutinize said:
People make the choice to commit to this, it is not forced upon them.

Just to get into the end game grind in Wow, will have taken much more time than a you would have committed to any rpg I can think of.
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Well if the second paragraph in this quote is not a clear example of the forced grind required to be able to play WoW, I dont think you understand what grind means.

I also dont think you understand that Blizzard purposefully want their players playing for as long as possible so they make more money via fees, so they stretch the game out to last an incredibly ridiculous amount of time just to be able to reach the end game.

Beasty said:
This is very exaggerated though, if you queue for a dungeon, it is 10 mins at the most before you are in, less if you play as a tank or he
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Its not exaggerated, I spent whole days trying to form groups for less popular quests that I wanted to play in DDO. There was absolutely no way of simply loading up the game, and playing what I wanted to without waiting for hours on end.

Beasty said:
Anyway this is another thread you're successfully derailing so kudos.
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I definitely didnt bring MMOs into this discussion, psychopigeon did. If people would rather play MMOs than Skyrim, then why are they in this thread?
 
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Beasty said:
What are people going to do first after the skyrim introduction/tutorial? Any plans?
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Will probably try out all the different class types for a couple of hours each then go with a hunter/thief/warrior/resto mix. Will have to see how the new levelling and combat mechanisms work.

I have never been a fan of a pure class type.
 
Scrutinize said:
Will probably try out all the different class types for a couple of hours each then go with a hunter/thief/warrior/resto mix. Will have to see how the new levelling and combat mechanisms work.

I have never been a fan of a pure class type.
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Well there arent any class types in Skyrim, you start with no class and play however you want. I've also never had to try different classes in any TES game, thats never been how they work. You play how you want from the start, and your class simply ends up being whatever you enjoy playing as.
 
Wow.. Are people really arguing and trying to compare MMOs to a TES game?

People need to realise that there is no typical "RPG". It's the broadest and least defined games genre out there by a long way.

Diablo, Fallout 3, Valkyria Chronicles and RuneScape are all RPGs, but you couldn't pick more different games.

Shamikebab said:
Can anyone who wants to discuss crappy MMO's kindly :):):):) off somewhere else and leave the rest of us to discuss the majestic Elder Scrolls in peace?
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This tbh.
 
bhavv said:
Well if the second paragraph in this quote is not a clear example of the forced grind required to be able to play WoW, I dont think you understand what grind means.
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No a grind is the repetitive, non quest driven activity used to level your character or profession. Oblivion is terrible for this if you want to level your character where you need x number of actions e.g. casting a restoration spell 15,000 times to level healing. For example faming to 10 hours to get materials is a grind. Doing 10 quests is part of the game content and at most you will need to kill 20-30 creatures these days which takes a few mins.

I also dont think you understand that Blizzard purposefully want their players playing for as long as possible so they make more money via fees, so they stretch the game out to last an incredibly ridiculous amount of time just to be able to reach the end game.
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Sorry, but it is player choice to keep playing. Irrespective of how the game is designed, it is the player that commits. Blizzard don’t force anything. Just because they provide a game with 1000’s of hours of content does not mean you have to play all of those.

You do realise, many games require hundreds of hours. COD Black Ops for example if you want to prestige to the top rank requires a good few days?
 
Scrutinize said:
Oblivion is terrible for this if you want to level your character
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Erm no, you can complete everything in Oblivion at level 1 without ever resting. You dont need to wait to level up.

Also you can open up the console and level up however much you want, go go single player games.

You can also download lots of leveling mods to vastly improve on the vanilla leveling sytem. Leveling in Skyrim is also going to be a lot easier than it was in prior games - no more multipliers or micromanagement required to level up.

Also if I do choose to 'grind' / play TES for however long I want, I'm not wasting money on fees while I do that - I can log in and play whenever I want. I dont think WoWfags realize how crucial this is to my enjoyment of a video game.

Scrutinize said:
You sir, are very angry.
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I find it hilarious actually that this is the only comeback that WoWfags can come up with against people that simply dont enjoy anything at all about their addiction.
 
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Personally I haven't played any video games since March, I used to be a Guild Wars and WoW addict, I'm going on holiday all of November so I probably won't be able to pick up this game most likely until January when work quiets down but really looking forward to it.
 
bhavv said:
Erm no, you can complete everything in Oblivion at level 1 without ever resting. You dont need to wait to level up.

Also you can open up the console and level up however much you want, go go single player games.

You can also download lots of leveling mods to vastly improve on the vanilla leveling sytem. Leveling in Skyrim is also going to be a lot easier than it was in prior games - no more multipliers or micromanagement required to level up.
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Yes, you can complete Oblivion in a few hours, but if you want to get the most from the game including seeing and fighting the better monsters and getting some decent gear, you want to level to 30 at least. The old levelling system was a grind if you wanted a balanced character.

What is the point in opening up the console? I loved the game mods, but using the console ruins the fun and challenge of the game. I am personally terrible for this though and will have to get it on console (PS3) first to remove the temptation.

I am looking forward to the new levelling / attribute / class system, but I had still assumed that you would want to level focusing on specific skills to develop that element to the character so by level 10 you would have a character orientated to magic, fighting, sneaking etc. Hence, I will run through a few hours on each to see how it progresses.

If it really is completely balanced and this isn’t necessary then :D.
 
Scrutinize said:
Yes, you can complete Oblivion in a few hours, but if you want to get the most from the game including seeing and fighting the better monsters and getting some decent gear, you want to level to 30 at least. The old levelling system was a grind if you wanted a balanced character.

What is the point in opening up the console? I loved the game mods, but using the console ruins the fun and challenge of the game. I am personally terrible for this though and will have to get it on console (PS3) first to remove the temptation.
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I can get to level 30, even 50 is 10 seconds in Oblivion.

My use of the word 'console' in 'open up the console' did not mean the thing that you play games on which isnt a PC.

The 'ingame console' is accessed by pressing the ¬ key, and lets you manually set your level, skills, and abilities however you like, I.E. cheats.

Also there was no such thing as 'decent gear' in Oblivion. With loot scaling there was never any enjoyment to be had in getting better gear. I actually play TES completely unarmored in nothing but a robe, gear doesnt bother me in the slightest bit about the games I enjoy playing (TES and Guild Wars).

You also like to grind for gear, I dont.
 
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bhavv said:
I dont think WoWfags realize how crucial this is to my enjoyment of a video game.

I find it hilarious actually that this is the only comeback that WoWfags can come up with against people that simply dont enjoy anything at all about their addiction.
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The irony here, is it irony, is that I am not defending WoW, in fact far from it and yet you appear to be calling me the above.

Your posts, as demonstrated by the above, are extremely hostile.
 
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