Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Caged]

Loonie Labour bint spends the whole debate personally attacking Bojo, then in her summing up says it's nothing to do with Bojo...
Best debate so far.

She was a disgrace.

WOW bitch Sturgeon gets her best line twice in the highlights.

 

[Locky]

If any of you remain folk say that the mainstream media is not biased towards remain then you may aswell leave your head in the sand for the foreseeable future.

 

[davewhite04]

So you just don't buy any stuff then?

Define stuff?

 

[Tombstone]

So the remain panel was passionate. OK.

Yeah, remind me that the next time I am debating with my bosses on the best approach to a project, that instead of debating it , I should just shout and scream and insult him because that will show him I am being passionate. See how that works for me.

 

[Locky]

This gogglebox style reporting is cringeworthy

 

[Mynight]

I hate these things. Theres rarely any debate, it just turns into interrupting and belittling each other.

Give them 20/45 seconds a turn to answer a question from the audience. Any interruptions/ personal attacks should lose them the ability to retort on that specific question. Too many kick them out

 

[Darujhistan]

If any of you remain folk say that the mainstream media is not biased towards remain then you may aswell leave your head in the sand for the foreseeable future.

In 5 years time, no-one you speak to will have voted to remain.

 

[Caged]

Define stuff?

I'm going to assume that you are being obtuse on purpose rather than just slow, and this has been covered numerous times already so I'm not going to continue with trying to explain how making a payment and getting a rebate doesn't mean that you lose the full payment amount from your budget.

If you actually want to find anything out then start with https://fullfact.org/europe/membership-fee-eu/

 

[davewhite04]

Erm.

You do realise that the figures from full fact, are roughly the same figures from the link you provided? Neither say we pay £350M a week..... they both agree that after the instant discount, we pay around £250M..

From your own link:



12.9Million per year, works out at about £250M a week.. not £350M..

I did see that miss print. To get a rebate on something you have to pay it first, so the wording in that article is incorrect. The numbers are accurate.

 

[davewhite04]

Yeah, remind me that the next time I am debating with my bosses on the best approach to a project, that instead of debating it , I should just shout and scream and insult him because that will show him I am being passionate. See how that works for me.

+1

 

[Skunkworks]

I’ve noticed a change in tone of the resident Remainers over the last week or so. It’s gone from smug and condescending to defensive and dejected.

 

[Felon]

I'm going to assume that you are being obtuse on purpose rather than just slow, and this has been covered numerous times already so I'm not going to continue with trying to explain how making a payment and getting a rebate doesn't mean that you lose the full payment amount from your budget.

If you actually want to find anything out then start with https://fullfact.org/europe/membership-fee-eu/

This is bothering me more than the referendum itself, the amount of people who are so viciously yet blindly arguing with false/incorrect information, are going to get access to a polling station.

 

[Felon]

I did see that miss print. To get a rebate on something you have to pay it first, so the wording in that article is incorrect. The numbers are accurate.

You can twist the words however you like, the facts are clear enough as are the treasury figures. We don't pay £350M a week, that figure does not leave the country, which is why the stuff written in their campaign is wrong, illegitimate and misleading.

From your own link

In fact, the rebate is effectively deducted at source, and so not actually sent to the EU at all.

and from fullfact:

£350 million a week is not what we pay

The claim that the UK sends £350 million per week to the EU is wrong.

Both sources say the same thing rofl... what the hell more do you need?

 

[davewhite04]

I'm going to assume that you are being obtuse on purpose rather than just slow, and this has been covered numerous times already so I'm not going to continue with trying to explain how making a payment and getting a rebate doesn't mean that you lose the full payment amount from your budget.

If you actually want to find anything out then start with https://fullfact.org/europe/membership-fee-eu/

So you can't even define this "stuff"? The figure is accurate but is being spun by the IN campaign to be a lie due to the nature of how the payment works. I don't want to give £500 to someone I don't know, end of.

 

[Caged]

This is bothering me more than the referendum itself, the amount of people who are so viciously yet blindly arguing with false/incorrect information, are going to get access to a polling station.

If I were a vindictive person then I could take a bit of solace in the knowledge that the people most viciously wanting to hand the country to the most right-wing government we've had in a long time are the ones most likely to lose out in the event that they get their way. By the time people realise that the only barrier between the way things are now and a world of sunshine and rainbows wasn't solely down to people from Romania being allowed to work here it will be far too late.

But I'm not vindictive by nature and wouldn't want to see the country as a whole put into a bad situation just in the hope that it would lead to people waking up and applying critical thought to important choices.

So you can't even define this "stuff"? The figure is accurate but is being spun by the IN campaign to be a lie due to the nature of how the payment works. I don't want to give £500 to someone I don't know, end of.

Let me know what bits of the linked and cited article you are struggling with and people here will do their best to clarify and explain.

 

[Uther]

So, all you Remainers, how do you think the debate went tonight?

 

[Caged]

I didn't watch it because I have already voted

 

[Phreaky]

We're all 'defensive and dejected' after watching the ITV/Government/Loonyleft/Chemtrails anti-Leave conspiracy and are printing 'BOO FORRENS' banners as we speak.

 

[Skunkworks]

If I were a vindictive person then I could take a bit of solace in the knowledge that the people most viciously wanting to hand the country to the most right-wing government we've had in a long time are the ones most likely to lose out in the event that they get their way. By the time people realise that the only barrier between the way things are now and a world of sunshine and rainbows wasn't solely down to people from Romania being allowed to work here it will be far too late.

But I'm not vindictive by nature and wouldn't want to see the country as a whole put into a bad situation just in the hope that it would lead to people waking up and applying critical thought to important choices.

Here's a wacky thought, now hear me out, you might be wrong.

 

[Judgeneo]

You can twist the words however you like, the facts are clear enough as are the treasury figures. We don't pay £350M a week, that figure does not leave the country, which is why the stuff written in their campaign is wrong, illegitimate and misleading.

From your own link

If you get a £25,000 salary, you don't see the account that goes straight to the government in tax and NI, and you have no choice about whether you pay the rent and bills or not.

The EU situation is similar. We get the rebate back, and the EU chooses how much to spend in the UK and what on.

The rebate isn't guaranteed forever either, it will drop to zero over time. The total base contribution of set to rise too.