Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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That doesn't really alter whether the £350m figure being quoted as our current net cost of EU membership is misleading or not, though. It's also important to distinguish between the rebate and further grants - the rebate is literally "don't bother giving us that cash".
 
Screeeech said:
You can twist the words however you like, the facts are clear enough as are the treasury figures. We don't pay £350M a week, that figure does not leave the country, which is why the stuff written in their campaign is wrong, illegitimate and misleading.

From your own link
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Evidently that source was crap, just like all the media sources. The Electoral Commission published £350 million.
 
Caged said:
If I were a vindictive person then I could take a bit of solace in the knowledge that the people most viciously wanting to hand the country to the most right-wing government we've had in a long time are the ones most likely to lose out in the event that they get their way. By the time people realise that the only barrier between the way things are now and a world of sunshine and rainbows wasn't solely down to people from Romania being allowed to work here it will be far too late.

But I'm not vindictive by nature and wouldn't want to see the country as a whole put into a bad situation just in the hope that it would lead to people waking up and applying critical thought to important choices.
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I don't think that's being vindictive. It's quite an honest truth. The same people that seem to be going towards 'leave' are the same people who complained about the current government, budget etc and how the poor are getting poorer and the rich, richer. Yet they want to give them even more power :confused:
 
Moses said:
Wrong. They don't tell us how to spend the rebate. Money which goes to eg. our farmers and poor regions we don't have direct control over, but it's wrong to say we don't get to choose where any of the £350m goes.
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I think you misread my position on that
 
Are we going to have a few more polls before Election Day? Feel there has been a shift recently so it would be interesting to see how things stand from now and compare to the others.

Then maybe another a week before and then the day before?
 
Caged said:
I didn't watch it because I have already voted
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I should take a leaf out of your book, it's just a media controlled circus heavily in favour of the IN campaign and is just annoying me.

It's all about the bankers who will lose their jobs and who are funding this anti-UK stance. Sick of hearing how crap British industry, workers, NHS, schools would be without a bunch of money men "helping" us.
 
davewhite04 said:
I should take a leaf out of your book, it's just a media controlled circus heavily in favour of the IN campaign and is just annoying me.

It's all about the bankers who will lose their jobs and who are funding this anti-UK stance. Sick of hearing how crap British industry, workers, NHS, schools would be without a bunch of money men "helping" us.
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Out of interest where do you get your news from?
 
davewhite04 said:
Maybe you should email them. It is the least of my worries as far as leaving the EU is concerned.
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I'm not the one claiming the numbers in an article I cited incorrectly to make a point are inaccurate, so no.

If you don't feel one of the major claims of Leave being demonstrably false are important then I don't see what you are hoping to gain from participating in a discussion on the topic.
 
Judgeneo said:
If you get a £25,000 salary, you don't see the account that goes straight to the government in tax and NI, and you have no choice about whether you pay the rent and bills or not.

The EU situation is similar. We get the rebate back, and the EU chooses how much to spend in the UK and what on.

The rebate isn't guaranteed forever either, it will drop to zero over time. The total base contribution of set to rise too.
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According to this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...83344/EU_finances_2015_final_web_09122015.pdf

See page 33

A.10.4 The effect of the rebate is to reduce the amount of the UK’s monthly GNI-based
payments to the EU Budget. It does not involve any transfer of money from the Commission or
other member states to the Exchequer.
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I'm not sure of my interpretation of this, as I'm unsure of how the whole framework fits together, but A.10.4 seems to be saying that we don't get anything back in a rebate, because the rolling effect of the discount means we don't over-pay in the first place.. it's like an up-front discount?

Which seems to be why the fullfact site and other fact checking places seem to be saying that we don't pay £350M a week at any point at all.
 
Screeeech said:
According to this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...83344/EU_finances_2015_final_web_09122015.pdf

See page 33



I'm not sure of my interpretation of this, as I'm unsure of how the whole framework fits together, but A.10.4 seems to be saying that we don't get anything back in a rebate, because the rolling effect of the discount means we don't over-pay in the first place.. ?

Which is why the fullfact site and other figures seem to be saying that we don't pay £350M a week at any point at all.
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It recalculates how much we have to give down, because thats easier than writing a check for £350m, and then them writing one for £100m. The total liability is still £350m. Its the amount we don't have control over because of the EU.

Our rebate is due to be renegotiated in 2020, and every 7 years hence. We've given away 20% of it already, and will give away more in the future as the eurozone votes become more stacked against us.
 
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